Evolution Is A False Religion

[Mick116]

Has anyone observed anyone evolve from a rock? Yet that is what evolutionist is saying.

No-one is saying this. Your statement is at best a misrepresentation of evolutionary theory, and at worst an utter lie, plain and simple. No offense, I'm just saying it as it is.

They say it rained on the earth for million of years old and from the rain falling on the rocks it evolved bacterias which again evolved into something else and so it goes.

Again, this is misrepresentation. How do you think evolutionists think evolution occurs?

Also have everyone observed a big bang?

Yes, actually. We have observed that the universe is expanding, and picked up the background radiation residual of the Big Bang. Note that the theory of the "Big Bang" is not related to evolution, and certainly doesn't exclude creation by God.

Still evolutionists are claiming it happen and it come from nothing. They say nothing come together and it become more of nothing and nothing started to spin and it spun faster and faster until it exploded.

Misrepresentation. Cosmologists (not evolutionists, it is a different field of study) don't think the universe came from "nothing"... just that we don't know from what it came (although as Christians we can hazard a guess as to what came before creation).

Still basic physics teach us that if something is spinning and whatever is spinning with it is being thrown out it will continue to spin in the same direction. Then why do we have a couple planets and a few moons spinning in the opposite direction?

I'm no cosmologist, but I'm sure there'd have to be turbulence of some sort during the formation of the solar system. In any case, this is off-topic, the thread is about evolution.

Let me ask you, were you created by God, or are you a product of the recombination of the DNA of both your parents?

 

[Mick116]

Perhaps a 'faith' might be more accurate.

Just as the existence of sub-atomic particles is based on "faith"?

 

[Mick116]

Indeed we could be, and most certainly are, wrong. However God is not and what He has stated takes precedence over anything that "we" may conjure up. I am standing with God and despite your claim for many evolution is a much a religion to them as Christianity is a religion to we that follow Christ. It takes faith to believe all of the claims of evolution just as it takes faith to believe in Gods creation. Frankly I will believe God over any statement that is contrary to His word.

Sealacamp

Could not some of our ideas about the mechanics of divine inspiration also be incorrect? Don't get me wrong, I think the scriptures are inspired, and I give credit where credit is due; but why are we expecting to find answers to scientific questions in the bible?

 

[sealacamp]

Don't get me wrong, I think the scriptures are inspired, and I give credit where credit is due; but why are we expecting to find answers to scientific questions in the bible?

I can't speak for anyone else but I can speak for myself. I am not looking for scientific answers in the bible. I look for answers about God, what He has done, what His plans are, what He is going to do in the bible. For me I believe every word that the bible states about creation and then what happened only God truly knows for sure. Personally I think that evolution post creation may be a viable possibility yet if that is the case if followed the laws that God put down. We did not come from apes, nor slime, nor fish, etc. God created us, just as the scriptures say. My main problem with evolution as taught and propagated is that God is cast aside. In fact God is looked down on by most that are the prophets of evolution. This being the case evolution, as absconded and propagated by the leftists, is an abomination which spreads anti-Christian evil in this world. This "theory" was used to justify genocide in Asia, Germany, China, and Russia, among other places. Overall it has become a religion of destruction and those that follow Christ are duty bound to place the truth over the lie. Even though creation is a theory that can't be proven any more than evolution can it is the one that places God on His throne where He belongs. It takes a leap of faith to believe either theory and my faith is aligned with God not with some theory that empowers those that would see Christ cast in the garbage, as many would.

Sealacamp

 

[JesusFreak78]

No-one is saying this. Your statement is at best a misrepresentation of evolutionary theory, and at worst an utter lie, plain and simple. No offense, I'm just saying it as it is.

Again, this is misrepresentation. How do you think evolutionists think evolution occurs?

Yes, actually. We have observed that the universe is expanding, and picked up the background radiation residual of the Big Bang. Note that the theory of the "Big Bang" is not related to evolution, and certainly doesn't exclude creation by God.
Misrepresentation. Cosmologists (not evolutionists, it is a different field of study) don't think the universe came from "nothing"... just that we don't know from what it came (although as Christians we can hazard a guess as to what came before creation).

I'm no cosmologist, but I'm sure there'd have to be turbulence of some sort during the formation of the solar system. In any case, this is off-topic, the thread is about evolution.

Let me ask you, were you created by God, or are you a product of the recombination of the DNA of both your parents?

You said evolution is by observing and I gave you some examples asking if anyone had observed those. It's also a typical evolution answer to blame it on another field within science every time they can't give an answer for it.

The big bang isn't a result of the universe is expanding. God is expanding it.
Isaiah 42:5
So says Jehovah God, creating the heavens and stretching them out; spreading out the earth and its offspring, giving breath to the people on it, and spirit to those walking in it.

To answer your question. Yes, I'm created by God.

 

[Mick116]

I can't speak for anyone else but I can speak for myself. I am not looking for scientific answers in the bible. I look for answers about God, what He has done, what His plans are, what He is going to do in the bible. For me I believe every word that the bible states about creation and then what happened only God truly knows for sure. Personally I think that evolution post creation may be a viable possibility yet if that is the case if followed the laws that God put down. We did not come from apes, nor slime, nor fish, etc. God created us, just as the scriptures say. My main problem with evolution as taught and propagated is that God is cast aside. In fact God is looked down on by most that are the prophets of evolution. This being the case evolution, as absconded and propagated by the leftists, is an abomination which spreads anti-Christian evil in this world. This "theory" was used to justify genocide in Asia, Germany, China, and Russia, among other places. Overall it has become a religion of destruction and those that follow Christ are duty bound to place the truth over the lie. Even though creation is a theory that can't be proven any more than evolution can it is the one that places God on His throne where He belongs. It takes a leap of faith to believe either theory and my faith is aligned with God not with some theory that empowers those that would see Christ cast in the garbage, as many would.

Sealacamp

Personally, I fail to see how the biological theory of evolution can ever imply the absence of God; as if an evolving creation is any less complex than a (relatively) static creation. It is true that the theory of evolution is often hijacked by atheists, socialist dictators and the like, but these attempts without fail misrepresent the scientific theory. That the scriptures speak of God forming Adam from the "dust of the earth" implies that our physical bodies are of the same substance as the rest of creation - plants, animals and humans alike "return to dust" when they die; but it is not our physical bodies which set us apart from the rest of creation, nor is it our bodies which are made in the "image of God". I don't see how our evolution from lower primates can rob us of anything that makes us "human", especially in a spiritual sense. We are of the same dust. Our bodies evolve, but our spirits are of the breath of God; I can't see any reason why our bodies cannot have evolved, especially given the poetic nature of the language in Genesis 1-3.

 

[sealacamp]

Personally, I fail to see how the biological theory of evolution can ever imply the absence of God;

Then you obviously have not spoken with very many professors that teach the subject, or people that cling to the theory stubbornly. As for your theory of biological evolution it remains just that and requires faith to fill in the gaps. So you can choose faith in God for faith in man. I've made my choice and it would appear that you have made yours as well.

Sealacamp

 

[JesusFreak78]

Personally, I fail to see how the biological theory of evolution can ever imply the absence of God;

If you believe in evolution you don't believe in Adam and Eve and if you don't believe in Adam and Eve you don't believe in original sin and without original sin there is no sin and without sin Christ died in vain and the entire gospel message falls apart.

I understand you try to reconcile evolution and the bible, but there is nothing they have in common just like light has nothing in common with darkness.

 

[Mick116]

If you believe in evolution you don't believe in Adam and Eve and if you don't believe in Adam and Eve you don't believe in original sin and without original sin there is no sin and without sin Christ died in vain and the entire gospel message falls apart.

I understand you try to reconcile evolution and the bible, but there is nothing they have in common just like light has nothing in common with darkness.

I just take the bible as teaching about God and religion rather than science or natural history. Despite the fact that the existence of sin is not dependent on the existence of Adam and Eve, I actually think they existed - just not as the first humans.

 

[Mick116]

Then you obviously have not spoken with very many professors that teach the subject, or people that cling to the theory stubbornly. As for your theory of biological evolution it remains just that and requires faith to fill in the gaps. So you can choose faith in God for faith in man. I've made my choice and it would appear that you have made yours as well.

Sealacamp

I still don't think the ties between evolution and atheism are as strong as they seem.

 

[JesusFreak78]

I just take the bible as teaching about God and religion rather than science or natural history. Despite the fact that the existence of sin is not dependent on the existence of Adam and Eve, I actually think they existed - just not as the first humans.

Then you disagree with God because God told us He created man on the sixth day.

 

[Mick116]

You said evolution is by observing and I gave you some examples asking if anyone had observed those. It's also a typical evolution answer to blame it on another field within science every time they can't give an answer for it.

But it is another field of science. We were discussing evolution, not cosmology. I know more about the former than the latter. You can't just lump the theories together like that, each theory should be assessed according to its own merits.

As far as observations go, we can observe patterns in the fossil record and current distributions of plants and animals which meet evolutionary expectations, we can observe fossils of transitional forms, we can observe the effects of natural and artificial selection in wild and domesticed populations and we can observe differences and similarities in the genetic material of living organisms in order to determine relatedness. In terms of cosmology, we can observe stars which are millions of light-years from Earth.

The big bang isn't a result of the universe is expanding. God is expanding it.
Isaiah 42:5
So says Jehovah God, creating the heavens and stretching them out; spreading out the earth and its offspring, giving breath to the people on it, and spirit to those walking in it.

I'd say God initiated the "Big Bang".

To answer your question. Yes, I'm created by God.

If God can create you through the biological processes of fertilisation and genetic recombination, why cannot God create life through the biological process of evolution?

 

[Mick116]

Then you disagree with God because God told us He created man on the sixth day.

That is probably a line from an ancient hymn, not a work of history. I think the point is that God created all there is.

 

[JesusFreak78]

But it is another field of science. We were discussing evolution, not cosmology. I know more about the former than the latter. You can't just lump the theories together like that, each theory should be assessed according to its own merits.

As far as observations go, we can observe patterns in the fossil record and current distributions of plants and animals which meet evolutionary expectations, we can observe fossils of transitional forms, we can observe the effects of natural and artificial selection in wild and domesticed populations and we can observe differences and similarities in the genetic material of living organisms in order to determine relatedness. In terms of cosmology, we can observe stars which are millions of light-years from Earth.

I'd say God initiated the "Big Bang".

If God can create you through the biological processes of fertilisation and genetic recombination, why cannot God create life through the biological process of evolution?

A fossil tells us an animal is dead. It doesn't tell us what it "evolved" from.

If God initiated the Big Bang He would have told us about it.

 

[sealacamp]

I still don't think the ties between evolution and atheism are as strong as they seem.

Then you have not been paying attention or you have been deceived.

Sealacamp

 

[JesusFreak78]

That is probably a line from an ancient hymn, not a work of history. I think the point is that God created all there is.

I assume you think what Jesus said in Mark 10:6 (But from the beginning of creation "God made them male and female.") also is a line from an ancient hymn.

 

[Mick116]

I assume you think what Jesus said in Mark 10:6 (But from the beginning of creation "God made them male and female.") also is a line from an ancient hymn.

But even a literal reading of Genesis doesn't make them "male and female" from the beginning. Humans weren't created until day 6.

 

[JesusFreak78]

But even a literal reading of Genesis doesn't make them "male and female" from the beginning. Humans weren't created until day 6.

Sure it does. The entire creation week is the beginning of creation, not just the first day.