Evolution is a Fact

TerranceL · Nov 22, 2009

albomofo said:
Jesus came and told us this is what happened. The new testament is a historical document. thats My evidence.

The NT is no more of an historical document than any other religious text is.

Sorry, but your creation stories are no more believable than those of any other religion and they all have the same amount of evidence.

None.

AV1611VET · Nov 22, 2009

Cabal said:
No, it came from a fossil.

Interesting --- a fossil of a bird in mid flight.

Is that lizard he's carrying a fossil too?

Sanguis · Nov 22, 2009

AV1611VET said:
Interesting --- a fossil of a bird in mid flight.

Is that lizard he's carrying a fossil too?

The image is a reconstruction of the Microraptor, based on the fossils found of it. The colours may be wrong, but aside from that, it's a reasonable depiction of what Microraptors would've looked like.

You knew that, yet you feign ignorance?

I guess it's a trait that comes with believing the nonsense you do. You have to lie to yourself so much that what you believe is the ultimate truth, that lying to others without even consciously realising it becomes trivial and the "norm".

Alternatively, you didn't realise that, in which case I'd shed a tear for your stupidity, if I wasn't so busy laughing hysterically at it.

AV1611VET · Nov 22, 2009

Sanguis said:
The image is a reconstruction of the Microraptor, based on the fossils found of it. The colours may be wrong, but aside from that, it's a reasonable depiction of what Microraptors would've looked like.

You knew that, yet you feign ignorance?

I guess it's a trait that comes with believing the nonsense you do. You have to lie to yourself so much that what you believe is the ultimate truth, that lying to others without even consciously realising it becomes trivial and the "norm".

No, thanks be to God, I'm a little more vigilant than you think I am.

That little Haeckel drawing doesn't fool me one bit.

laconicstudent · Nov 22, 2009

Sanguis said:
You knew that, yet you feign ignorance?

Naturally. You must have forgotten about the post in which AV proudly declared he'd remain ignorant until he died. Sad, isn't it?

AV1611VET said:
--- That describes me to a tee.

I was born ignorant, and I'll die ignorant.

laconicstudent · Nov 22, 2009

AV1611VET said:
No, thanks be to God, I'm a little more vigilant than you think I am.

That little Haeckel drawing doesn't fool me one bit.

Yes, God created this world full of lies, just in an attempt to trick just as many people as He could manage! God gave us minds in order that we might deliberately stifle them, and ignore what all evidence and logic shows to prove to Him that we are mindless automatons.

Oh wait. No. That isn't what I believe.

AV1611VET · Nov 22, 2009

laconicstudent said:
Sad, isn't it?

Not as sad as thinking I'm some kind of expert on something in light of this: 1.

AV1611VET · Nov 22, 2009

laconicstudent said:
Yes, God created this world full of lies...

He didn't have to.

The Theory of Evolution has enough Hackels of its own.

Sanguis · Nov 22, 2009

AV1611VET said:
No, thanks be to God, I'm a little more vigilant than you think I am.

That little Haeckel drawing doesn't fool me one bit.

Try replacing the "Vigil" with "Ignor", and you might be closer to the truth.

The drawing is entirely based off of the fossilised remains SHOWN RIGHT NEXT TO IT. Perhaps if I showed you the drawing and said "This was a real animal." with nothing to support it, then it would raise some questions, but I didn't. I showed the fossilised remains that the picture was based on. Compare them. The only feature that can't possibly be the same as the remains were when they were alive, is the colour.

It had feathers.
It was the same shape.
It was more or less the same as the animal in the drawing.

It might've been green. It might've been orange. It might've been rainbow, or gold, or silver, or purple, or ocatrine, whatever colour it was, it was a small theropod, with feathers, half way between most other raptors and modern birds. It could glide, but not fly yet.

It just conflicts with what you've become obsessive over believing, so it can't possibly be true, it probably makes your head ache just trying to comprehend it.

Well, the fossil laughes in your face.

AV1611VET · Nov 22, 2009

Sanguis said:
Try replacing the "Vigil" with "Ignor", and you might be closer to the truth.

The drawing is entirely based off of the fossilised remains SHOWN RIGHT NEXT TO IT. Perhaps if I showed you the drawing and said "This was a real animal." with nothing to support it, then it would raise some questions, but I didn't. I showed the fossilised remains that the picture was based on. Compare them. The only feature that can't possibly be the same as the remains were when they were alive, is the colour.

It had feathers.
It was the same shape.
It was more or less the same as the animal in the drawing.

Isn't that called "god of the gaps" when we do the same thing?

And speaking of Haeckel and gaps --- what's this thing?

Sanguis · Nov 22, 2009

AV1611VET said:
Isn't that called "god of the gaps" when we do the same thing?

And speaking of Haeckel and gaps --- what's this thing?

Microraptor wasn't an omnipotent creator of everything, that loved all of its creation, used to fill in gaps where knowledge was lacking with magic and all sorts of other hocus pocus alakazam gibberish. It was a link between modern birds and much more ancient theropods.

As for that picture, it's an unspecified hominid. It's far too small to say anything beyond that.

Although, it's worth pointing out that it still looks far too early on in our ancestry to be wearing any kind of clothes, such as the rags it seems to be wearing to cover itself up.

Kinda like the physical appearance of H. Habilis, but with the culture of at least H. Heidelbergensis. They each lived millions of years apart.

It honestly just seems like a nonsense picture, made by someone with only a basic grasp of our ancestry.

AV1611VET · Nov 22, 2009

Sanguis said:
As for that picture, it's an unspecified hominid.

Unspecified?

It's a genuine Hackel god-of-the-gaps Cro Magnon.

And where did this "terrible lizard" come from --- a toothpick?

laconicstudent · Nov 22, 2009

AV1611VET said:
Unspecified?

It's a genuine Hackel god-of-the-gaps Cro Magnon.

And where did this "terrible lizard" come from --- a toothpick?

hey look, I can post totally random small images as well.

Do you have a point with this? That a appears to be a giant frog and a raptor of some kind. You need to actually make a point when you post.

Sanguis · Nov 22, 2009

AV1611VET said:
Unspecified?

It's a genuine Hackel god-of-the-gaps Cro Magnon.

And where did this "terrible lizard" come from --- a toothpick?

"Terrible lizard" comes from when dinosaur fossils were first (recorded to be*) discovered, Iguanadon was the first. A very successful species that populated much of the globe, in massive herds. Back then, when their fossils were first (recorded to be*) found, and they didn't know much about them. Obviously. But they seemed to resemble lizards. Terrible ones. Back then, when their fossils were first found and they didn't know much about them. Obviously. they were named "terrible lizards", because back then, they didn't know that they weren't lizards, but just reptiles. But the name stuck.

You have to remember, this was in the early 1800s, over 200 years ago. You were probably still a kid back then, though, eh?

Either way, I wouldn't honestly expect you to understand, simply because I don't expect you to understand anything.

*Iguanadon was the first dinosaur fossils to be discovered and recorded, for what it actually was, but the evidence for other, much more ancient cultures finding them and linking them to great, mythical monsters is pretty overwhelming.

AV1611VET · Nov 22, 2009

Sanguis said:
"Terrible lizard" comes from when dinosaur fossils were first (recorded to be*) discovered, Iguanadon was the first.

Ya --- I kinda figured that --- even in ignorance.

I'd say your software needs some updating, wouldn't you?

That's [probably] why we still have "flying" squirrels and fish.

Sanguis · Nov 22, 2009

AV1611VET said:
Ya --- I kinda figured that --- even in ignorance.

I'd say your software needs some updating, wouldn't you?

That's [probably] why we still have "flying" squirrels and fish.

They're just names.

As I've said before, calling them anything different won't change what they actually are. If you called gravity "mudkipz" it wouldn't change what gravity actually was, just what it was called.

Also, flying fish and flying squirrels are just the common names for two species that also have names that biologists and ecologists use, that have absolutely nothing to do with flight.

Still, as useless as you seem to be at anything else, you're very good at taking something completely irrelevant to the main point of the post, then using that to ignore the rest of it.

It's like you deliberately try to go off topic when you' know that continuing down the current topic will end up with you having to question everything you blindly beileve, so you change the topic ASAP, to avoid you suffering from a logic overload, short circuiting your brain and causing you to have a seizure.

Whether that's consciously, or without you noticing, it's painfully obvious to the rest of us.

AV1611VET · Nov 22, 2009

Sanguis said:
They're just names.

As I've said before, calling them anything different won't change what they actually are. If you called gravity "mudkipz" it wouldn't change what gravity actually was, just what it was called.

Also, flying fish and flying squirrels are just the common names for two species that also have names that biologists and ecologists use, that have absolutely nothing to do with flight.

Well, for the record, the Theory of Evolution runs on three big fallacies:

fake drawings
god-of-the-gaps
outdated software

laconicstudent · Nov 22, 2009

Sanguis said:
It's like you deliberately try to go off topic when you' know that continuing down the current topic will end up with you having to question everything you blindly beileve, so you change the topic ASAP, to avoid you suffering from a logic overload, short circuiting your brain and causing you to have a seizure.

Whether that's consciously, or without you noticing, it's painfully obvious to the rest of us.

I concur. Frankly, I've reached the point where I don't really bother thinking about the "QV #1" links anymore, because I know now that they hold absolutely no relation to the discussion, and are just red herrings.

There is really no point in discussing this with AV, Sanguis. He's flat out admitted that he wants to remain ignorant until he dies. There are some people with whom logic, common sense, and reality is simply useless.

You notice the above posts where he lists art illustrations, God of the gaps (ironic) and "Software" (???) as logical fallacies? That's his debate style. He just throws up random strawmen. Just ignore them.

Sanguis · Nov 22, 2009

AV1611VET said:
Well, for the record, the Theory of Evolution runs on three big fallacies:

fake drawings

god-of-the-gaps

outdated software

Well, for the record, there's this island in the middle of the Pacific ocean, made entirely of human waste brought there by the currents of the ocean, and if you added up all of the rubbish ever accumulated there, then it still wouldn't even remotely match even half of the rubbish contained in that last post.

Pictured above: Less rubbish than what you're on about.

Just do the world a favor and an hero. Seriously, it'll raise the average intelligence of humanity tenfold.

Cabal · Nov 22, 2009

AV1611VET said:
Well, for the record, the Theory of Evolution runs on three big fallacies:

fake drawings

god-of-the-gaps

outdated software

Were you there, AV, in the lab, when the research was done?

Double standard.

Evolution is a Fact

Sarcasm is kind of an art isn't it?

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