Evolution is a Fact

Split Rock · Nov 19, 2009

357magnum said:
The point is simple: the evidence for the evolutionary origin of man is missing. What used to be has been debunked. The method of operation among scientists trying to prove the evolutionary origin of man is gross error, imagination, fraud, and hoax. What's left is highly suspect and hanging by a thread.

Nice the way you throw ugly accusations around. All based on the lies of Professional Creationists. I doubt that you care they are lying to you, as long as the lie tastes sweet and reinforces what you already believe is "The Truth." Afterall, what is a small lie compared to preserving "The Truth?"

357magnum said:
Read again what I said about the tooth. I said that I read about it recently, not that it happened recently. I might have it in my notes somewhere, but it's really just one of many examples of the common M.O. Add vivid imagination and sloppy work to the M.O.

I know more about "the tooth" than you do. Others have already explained about it and the simple fact that it was never claimed as an ancestor of modern man. But, hey, the Creationist lie sounds much better to your ears, doesn't it? Oh, btw, care to explain why your "just one of many examples" is from 1922? No? Maybe not...

357magnum said:
The claimed evolutionary origin of man is a major embarrassment to the scientific community, and it's going to be a larger embarrassment in the future. The case is falling apart - not getting better. The more that real science learns - the more that the evolutionary origin of man falls on its face. It's elevated to a cross between comedy and fairy tale, but the die-hards are hanging on by a thread to save face and reputation.

Do you know what is a "major embarassment?" How some people cling to an out of date and faulty interpretation of scripture that conflicts with reality. Then they try and elevate what is a fable (complete with a talking snake) to the level of science.

Meshach · Nov 19, 2009

Loudmouth said:
I think you are still avoiding the DNA and fossil evidence. Here, let me check . . .

Yep, still avoiding it.

95% of ALL known fossils are marine invertebrates, 4.7% are algae and plants, about 0.2% are insects and other invertebrates, and only about 0.1% are vertebrates. Of this 0.1% only the smallest imaginable fraction of vertebrate fossils consist of primates. (humans, apes, monkeys and lemurs). And it is truly amazing what conclusions one comes to when they find these rare fossils. A different interpretation based on a different presupposition. Must I also insert fallible?

GENETIC MATHEMATICS
human100 %chimpanzee86.7 % nematode75 %

That puts the Chimpanzee at
LESS than HALFWAY
between a Worm and Human!

Cabal · Nov 19, 2009

Meshach said:
95% of ALL known fossils are marine invertebrates, 4.7% are algae and plants, about 0.2% are insects and other invertebrates, and only about 0.1% are vertebrates. Of this 0.1% only the smallest imaginable fraction of vertebrate fossils consist of primates. (humans, apes, monkeys and lemurs). And it is truly amazing what conclusions one comes to when they find these rare fossils. A different interpretation based on a different presupposition. Must I also insert fallible?

GENETIC MATHEMATICS
human100 %chimpanzee86.7 % nematode75 %

That puts the Chimpanzee at
LESS than HALFWAY
between a Worm and Human!

I think you're just spouting numbers...

Are you trying to claim that because chimpanzees are "less than HALFWAY!!!!1 (allcaps FTW srsly!!1) that somehow calls common descent into question?

Meshach · Nov 19, 2009

Cabal said:
I think you're just spouting numbers...

Are you trying to claim that because chimpanzees are "less than HALFWAY!!!!1 (allcaps FTW srsly!!1) that somehow calls common descent into question?

I guess it all depends or your presuppositions. For it is not the similarities that will cause the right conclusion. But the differences.

Cabal · Nov 19, 2009

Meshach said:
I guess it all depends or your presuppositions. For it is not the similarities that will cause the right conclusion. But the differences.

Well, we've already had the discussion on why an omnipotent creator would need to make any creature similar to another if they're not supposed to be related.

And no creationist here had any good answers for it then, so I don't expect you'll have any good answers for it now.

Meshach · Nov 19, 2009

Cabal said:
Well, we've already had the discussion on why an omnipotent creator would need to make any creature similar to another if they're not supposed to be related.

And no creationist here had any good answers for it then, so I don't expect you'll have any good answers for it now.

GENETIC MATHEMATICS
human100 %chimpanzee86.7 % nematode75 %

That puts the Chimpanzee at
LESS than HALFWAY
between a Worm and Human!

Is this not close enough for relationship? Or is there a science law that states how close you have to actually be before you can be considered related?

Cabal · Nov 19, 2009

Meshach said:
GENETIC MATHEMATICS
human100 %chimpanzee86.7 % nematode75 %

That puts the Chimpanzee at
LESS than HALFWAY
between a Worm and Human!

Is this not close enough for relationship? Or is there a science law that states how close you have to actually be before you can be considered related?

I don't think you get my point.

Your p.o.v is in trouble for any value > 0%.

Wedjat · Nov 19, 2009

Ultimately worms and humans are related

laconicstudent · Nov 19, 2009

Wedjat said:
Ultimately worms and humans are related

Yes, the direction of this conversation is tiresome. Obviously humans share a great deal of our DNA with nematodes. I really don't get the point. We share a great deal of our DNA with all Animalia, period. I don't see how the fact that higher primates are more genetically similar to us then Phylum Nematoda is an issue. Its common sense. I think Meshach needs to take an animal bio class.

AV1611VET · Nov 19, 2009

Wedjat said:
Ultimately worms and humans are related

David disagrees:

Psalm 22:6a said:
But I am a worm, and no man;

Pwnzerfaust · Nov 19, 2009

AV1611VET said:
David disagrees:

Story books have no bearing on reality.

Meshach · Nov 19, 2009

Pwnzerfaust said:
Story books have no bearing on reality.

You mean like "The Origin of Species"?

Cabal · Nov 19, 2009

Meshach said:
You mean like "The Origin of Species"?

No.

Bushido216 · Nov 19, 2009

Edit: @ Meshach

OH SNAP! U DUS SERVED HIMZ!!

No, really.

Look. You're going "la la la" at reality. If in some hypothetical situation the Bible had a verse about the workings of the internal combustion engine that disagreed with your car engine, would you conclude your car engine is a myth? No. You wouldn't. You can clearly observe your car working.

Because you're not educated enough to clearly observe the science of evolution working doesn't disqualify it. An inability on your part to understand something doesn't falsify it. It just means you need more education on a topic.

Meshach · Nov 19, 2009

Bushido216 said:
Edit: @ Meshach

OH SNAP! U DUS SERVED HIMZ!!

No, really.

Look. You're going "la la la" at reality. If in some hypothetical situation the Bible had a verse about the workings of the internal combustion engine that disagreed with your car engine, would you conclude your car engine is a myth? No. You wouldn't. You can clearly observe your car working.

Because you're not educated enough to clearly observe the science of evolution working doesn't disqualify it. An inability on your part to understand something doesn't falsify it. It just means you need more education on a topic.

I was unaware observed science included observation of a single cell mutating into us humans. Is there a You Tube video on that?

Pwnzerfaust · Nov 19, 2009

Meshach said:
I was unaware observed science included observation of a single cell mutating into us humans. Is there a You Tube video on that?

Plenty. Look up potholer54's channel, or AronRa's, or Thunderf00t's "why do people laugh at creationists" series, or cdk007's channel... there's more, but I'm sure you can find them from there.

hangback · Nov 19, 2009

Meshach said:
I was unaware observed science included observation of a single cell mutating into us humans. Is there a You Tube video on that?

You are in denial and you know it, being flippant will not help you one bit.

Meshach · Nov 20, 2009

hangback said:
You are in denial and you know it, being flippant will not help you one bit.

Are you in denial of Jesus Christ? Which do you think is more important?
Remember these two things. Its not the similarities between us and apes that is important, but the differences. And the "why" we are here is vastly more important than the "how". We are but a wave tossed in the ocean, a flower slowly fadding. As God puts it in James 4:14 Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.

laconicstudent · Nov 20, 2009

Meshach said:
I was unaware observed science included observation of a single cell mutating into us humans. Is there a You Tube video on that?

You have even less evidence, and evidence directly contradicting Young Earth Creationism. Your hardly one to start criticizing the quantity of evidence. You don't actually have any. All you can do is nitpick and deny all the evidence for Evolution, while hoping we forget that you haven't presented a speck for your OWN position.

MoonLancer · Nov 20, 2009

Meshach said:
Are you in denial of Jesus Christ? Which do you think is more important?
Remember these two things. Its not the similarities between us and apes that is important, but the differences. And the "why" we are here is vastly more important than the "how". We are but a wave tossed in the ocean, a flower slowly fadding. As God puts it in James 4:14 Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.

I was not aware there was a incompatibility between people who believe in evolution and christains. Your post is a fallacy of false dichotomy (choice).

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