Evolution , for the simple minded..

Sean1969 · Mar 19, 2004

Like me.. Ive seen a few threads here about this subject, so I figured Id post my own with my own personal opinions. Anyway ,Hello. Newbie here. Newbie, but not naive... Heres my outtake on evolution. It cant be denied, but it is Gods will and design. Proof coming.. God decides what and how far everything will evolve into. If we all, and I mean ALL, humans, apes, chickens, rats, mosquitoes, frogs, cows, etc ALL originated at the big bang , or stepped from the primordial ooze at the same time or whatever new theory may get tossed out,to make this sudden "spark of life" that evolutionists say was the catalyst of life, riddle me this... WHY did some organisms , say,,,a chicken , evolve into a flightless , defenseless bird that is at the proverbial "bottom of the food chain" , yet we humans kept on gettin' it to the point we are. The top. Why did the life form known as the rat become a small rodent , scurrying through the sewers of the world , a prey animal, yet, a hawk decided that wasnt for them, were going to grow wings , claws, keen sight, and take to the air. According to hard evolutionists, all life started at once, so in essence its a big race to the top. That doesnt hold water... Its Gods plan. Theres no other possible rationalization.His plan was for a cow to be a feeder animal. For us. He made predators seperate from prey. Look at the eyes of a predator. Humans, dogs, cats, bears, lions, hawks, eagles,,, all eyes forward. Depth perception and target acquisition. Now look at prey animals . Rabbits, deer, antelope , etc Eyes to the side. Why ? To watch out for us predator types. Gods design. If evolution were the case alone , there would have been no prey animals.. I mean, who wants to volounteer for that job??? Just the philosophy of a ranting newbie ! By the way, nice to meet yall.

Apollonarius · Mar 19, 2004

Welcome to CF Sean!

i agree with you 100%, i myself am a creationist. i hope you are able to be blessed by our little forum here. Blessings!

May your walk always reflect the Love of the Lord Jesus! Maranatha!

In His Light,
Apollonarius

SirFei · Mar 19, 2004

God made the Heavens and the earth as he saw fit. Within that, every animal that walked, swam, spit, flew, chewed, and mooed was created by God for their own purposes designed by God. The hawk flies with its percept eyes to catch its prey; the rat small and sneaky to escape it's predators. All in the food chain with God's chosen on top: Humans! Appointed overseers of all animals that moo, chew, flew, spit, swam, and walk upon the earth.

Evolution--Any theory scientists can think up OTHER than what God has told us in the Bible I will always refute as unbelievable and untrue. This is not to say that I don't think we can't better ourselves--Quite the contrary. We improve ourselves daily and over generations, and that's because and ONLY because God allows us to. Peace and God bless!
~Marc

Warrior Poet · Mar 19, 2004

Well i think there needs to be a line drawn between "evolution" and adaptation.
Two squrills live in the same forrest a earthquake splits the forest, one side remains green and beatiful the other side dries out and is very hot. Over time the squirll in the hot climate's: hair will thin, fur will get closer to areas color, become hostile due to always fighting for food. It adapts. The other still busytailed, carefree, fluffy squirll. Chickens didnt evolve into a flightless birds they adpated it, maybe at one point they did fly, but thats not evolution, same animal, adapted traits.
Other then that I didnt really understand most of the OP. Sorry.

Warrior Poet

SavedByGrace3 · Mar 19, 2004

**** mod hat on ****

moved to a more appropriate forum.....

Jet Black · Mar 19, 2004

sure this is the right place and not a CO area?

Data · Mar 19, 2004

I'm sorry, but you have absolutely no idea of what evolution is. If you stick around and read some threads you should pick it up in no time though.

[edit] *nod* i'm almost positive this should be in a CO section, like jetblack said

Jet Black · Mar 19, 2004

Sean1969 said:
Proof coming.

that would be novel.

. God decides what and how far everything will evolve into.

evidence?

If we all, and I mean ALL, humans, apes, chickens, rats, mosquitoes, frogs, cows, etc ALL originated at the big bang,

The Big Bang has nothing to do with evolution.

or stepped from the primordial ooze at the same time

no-one has ever said that. In the primordial soup, or whatever it may have been, the only thing that started off were primitive replicators. The best replicators replicated more than the ones that were not as good, and through a process of natural selection developed into cellular life. The details are more complex than this, but infinitely far from your strawman.

or whatever new theory may get tossed out,to make this sudden "spark of life" that evolutionists say was the catalyst of life, riddle me this...

oh chemistry you mean?

WHY did some organisms , say,,,a chicken , evolve into a flightless , defenseless bird that is at the proverbial "bottom of the food chain", yet we humans kept on gettin' it to the point we are.

I hope you are not thinking that domesticated chickens are anything like their wild brethren. Besides, location in the food chain is unimportant. The important thing is that one survives long enough to have offspring. Mutations, natural selection and variation very early on will have led to different evolutionary paths for the different organisms and groups.

The top. Why did the life form known as the rat become a small rodent , scurrying through the sewers of the world , a prey animal, yet, a hawk decided that wasnt for them, were going to grow wings , claws, keen sight, and take to the air.

There was no decision, see above. All the organisms that bred were the organisms selected for by being the best at surviving to have offspring.

According to hard evolutionists, all life started at once, so in essence its a big race to the top.

no, there is no top. and !all life! was once just primitive bacteria and replicators.

His plan was for a cow to be a feeder animal.

how antrhopocentric. Cows are machines for passing on the genes that make more cows. This isn't the resteraunt at the end of the universe you know.

For us. He made predators seperate from prey. Look at the eyes of a predator. Humans, dogs, cats, bears, lions, hawks, eagles,,, all eyes forward. Depth perception and target acquisition.

how evolutionarily sensible.

Now look at prey animals . Rabbits, deer, antelope , etc Eyes to the side. Why ? To watch out for us predator types. Gods design. If evolution were the case alone , there would have been no prey animals.. I mean, who wants to volounteer for that job???

terrible strawman again. the "prey animals" were those who survived by other means. you aren't telling me that prey animals dont survive to breed now are you?

Just the philosophy of a ranting newbie ! By the way, nice to meet yall.

terrible philosophy, I hope it improves.

hello by the way.

mrversatile48 · Mar 19, 2004

Warrior Poet said:
Well i think there needs to be a line drawn between "evolution" and adaptation.
Two squrills live in the same forrest a earthquake splits the forest, one side remains green and beatiful the other side dries out and is very hot. Over time the squirll in the hot climate's: hair will thin, fur will get closer to areas color, become hostile due to always fighting for food. It adapts. The other still busytailed, carefree, fluffy squirll. Chickens didnt evolve into a flightless birds they adpated it, maybe at one point they did fly, but thats not evolution, same animal, adapted traits.
Other then that I didnt really understand most of the OP. Sorry.

Warrior Poet

R U on E?

Squirrels & their nuts, huh?

See, "All The Wonders of the Universe" - (my creation psalm lyric in 1 of the science threads

True science goes by observable fact

"The plain fact that we can so clearly distinguish not only dog from fox or wolf, but even King Charles Spaniel from Cocker...

(Hi Joe!)...

proves that every species of life form was Designer Made by the Most Brill Brain in the Universe"

Think @ it...

An amoeba wouldn't know WHAT to evolve/adapt..

or buy @ exorbitant APR on its credit card...

let alone HOW..

to draw up its biz plan!

"If Darwin were right...

the differences between adjacent steps...

on his evolutionary ladder...

would be as minute..

as those..

between..

adjoining frames of a movie"

No wonder the dying Darwin denounced his theory as his "folly of youth"

In his later years, he studied the Bible & saw that God knows better

Evolutionists are centuries behind the times

Many top scientists, of all disciplines, now acknowledge such clear macro & micro evidence of Intelligent Design...

They worship the Almighty Creator

So..

don't let evolutionists make a monkey out of you!

Anyone fancy taking some bananas to Chester Zoo?

Next sunny Saturday, we can meet up there...

@ lunchtime

I know..I know..

Who's out to lunch now?

Ian

davyuk · Mar 19, 2004

Sean1969 said:
Heres my outtake on evolution. It cant be denied, but it is Gods will and design. Proof coming..

This'll be interesting...

God decides what and how far everything will evolve into.

In your opinion. No proof.

If we all, and I mean ALL, humans, apes, chickens, rats, mosquitoes, frogs, cows, etc ALL originated at the big bang...

The universe theoretically originated after the Big Bang, not life on Earth.

... or stepped from the primordial ooze at the same time or whatever new theory may get tossed out,to make this sudden "spark of life" that evolutionists say was the catalyst of life

Well it seems clear that you have absolutely no knowledge of evolutionary theory, but we'll go on.

riddle me this... WHY did some organisms , say,,,a chicken , evolve into a flightless, defenseless bird that is at the proverbial "bottom of the food chain" , yet we humans kept on gettin' it to the point we are. The top.

Tell you what, go tell a Lion how superior you are to him in the food chain. Pick a fight with a crocodile just to make it feel bad.
All animals are successful within their natural environment. If I chicken were 'defenseless' it wouldn't exist. It would be extinct. In fact, the only reason chickens are still around is because we breed them to eat.
Here's a question to you: Why would God create flightless birds? Evolution answers this question. Can you?

Why did the life form known as the rat become a small rodent , scurrying through the sewers of the world , a prey animal, yet, a hawk decided that wasnt for them, were going to grow wings , claws, keen sight, and take to the air.

Read up on evolutionary biology and all these questions are answered.

According to hard evolutionists, all life started at once, so in essence its a big race to the top.That doesnt hold water...

It doesn't hold water because it's not true. That's just your ill-informed view.

Its Gods plan. Theres no other possible rationalization.

Yes there is: Evolution. With or without your God.

His plan was for a cow to be a feeder animal. For us. He made predators seperate from prey. Look at the eyes of a predator. Humans, dogs, cats, bears, lions, hawks, eagles,,, all eyes forward. Depth perception and target acquisition. Now look at prey animals . Rabbits, deer, antelope , etc Eyes to the side. Why ? To watch out for us predator types. Gods design. If evolution were the case alone , there would have been no prey animals.. I mean, who wants to volounteer for that job??? Just the philosophy of a ranting newbie !

Yes you are ranting. All the answers to your questions lie within evolutionary theory, a model that has yet to be falsified without resorting to Biblical literalist creationist Dodos - yet another flightless bird by the way.

You have a lot to learn young grasshopper. You just need to take it one step at a time. You either accept creationism and reject all science, or you open you eyes.

Jet Black · Mar 19, 2004

mrversatile48 said:
An amoeba wouldn't know WHAT to evolve/adapt..

that's not how evolution works.

"If Darwin were right...
the differences between adjacent steps...
on his evolutionary ladder...
would be as minute..
as those..
between..
adjoining frames of a movie"

not nescessarily

No wonder the dying Darwin denounced his theory as his "folly of youth"

Darwin did not recant. this is an urban myth.

In his later years, he studied the Bible & saw that God knows better

no, he lost his believe because of what happened to his daughter.

Many top scientists, of all disciplines, now acknowledge such clear macro & micro evidence of Intelligent Design...

top?!? heh.

JohnCJ · Mar 19, 2004

Sean1969 said:
Like me.. Ive seen a few threads here about this subject, so I figured Id post my own with my own personal opinions. Anyway ,Hello. Newbie here. Newbie, but not naive... Heres my outtake on evolution. It cant be denied, but it is Gods will and design. Proof coming.. God decides what and how far everything will evolve into. If we all, and I mean ALL, humans, apes, chickens, rats, mosquitoes, frogs, cows, etc ALL originated at the big bang , or stepped from the primordial ooze at the same time or whatever new theory may get tossed out,to make this sudden "spark of life" that evolutionists say was the catalyst of life, riddle me this... WHY did some organisms , say,,,a chicken , evolve into a flightless , defenseless bird that is at the proverbial "bottom of the food chain" , yet we humans kept on gettin' it to the point we are. The top. Why did the life form known as the rat become a small rodent , scurrying through the sewers of the world , a prey animal, yet, a hawk decided that wasnt for them, were going to grow wings , claws, keen sight, and take to the air. According to hard evolutionists, all life started at once, so in essence its a big race to the top. That doesnt hold water... Its Gods plan. Theres no other possible rationalization.His plan was for a cow to be a feeder animal. For us. He made predators seperate from prey. Look at the eyes of a predator. Humans, dogs, cats, bears, lions, hawks, eagles,,, all eyes forward. Depth perception and target acquisition. Now look at prey animals . Rabbits, deer, antelope , etc Eyes to the side. Why ? To watch out for us predator types. Gods design. If evolution were the case alone , there would have been no prey animals.. I mean, who wants to volounteer for that job??? Just the philosophy of a ranting newbie ! By the way, nice to meet yall.

I'll just quote my own first post

"To deny evidence or theories clearly set before us to observe by the
creator is to deny the creator the credit that he deserves. Certain things
(big bang, evolution) have mathematical basis that does nothing but prove the existence of a creator. Such intricate systems cannot exist without an
architect, the atom would not be the atom if it was not put that way. To
suggest that the earth appeared from nothing is as ridiculous as saying the
chair youre sitting in appeared from nothing. But insert the Lord into the
equation and all is possible, and he'll even do it by the numbers.

Certainly to address those who assume all creation is random as ignorant or Godless would be a truthfull reaction, but it would be much easier to accept mathematically proven facts and see the Lord in them and help them see it too. God gave us a giant brain and with it he expects us to think.

"Let there be light"-big bang
"separate the earth from the firmament"-the creation of galaxies sun atoms

But true no detail was put into the Bible about these things because God is
after our soul, God knows us and if he put everything in the Bible simple
men would not be able to accept it, he gave us free will so it would be
completely reasonable to believe that if God put EVERYTHING in the Bible we
would be too overwhelmed.

Besides learning about the great big universe is part of what makes being
human ... human." - me

mrversatile48 · Mar 19, 2004

mrversatile48 said:
R U on E?

Squirrels & their nuts, huh?

See, "All The Wonders of the Universe" - (my creation psalm lyric in 1 of the science threads

True science goes by observable fact

"The plain fact that we can so clearly distinguish not only dog from fox or wolf, but even King Charles Spaniel from Cocker...

(Hi Joe!)...

proves that every species of life form was Designer Made by the Most Brill Brain in the Universe"

Think @ it...

An amoeba wouldn't know WHAT to evolve/adapt..

or buy @ exorbitant APR on its credit card...

let alone HOW..

to draw up its biz plan!

"If Darwin were right...

the differences between adjacent steps...

on his evolutionary ladder...

would be as minute..

as those..

between..

adjoining frames of a movie"

No wonder the dying Darwin denounced his theory as his "folly of youth"

In his later years, he studied the Bible & saw that God knows better

Evolutionists are centuries behind the times

Many top scientists, of all disciplines, now acknowledge such clear macro & micro evidence of Intelligent Design...

They worship the Almighty Creator

So..

don't let evolutionists make a monkey out of you!

Anyone fancy taking some bananas to Chester Zoo?

Next sunny Saturday, we can meet up there...

@ lunchtime

I know..I know..

Who's out to lunch now?

Ian

RECALL DA 2ND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS?

All things..

left to themselves..

tend to d-e-c-a-y...

NOT to improve!

Evo-loopies think mutations are beneficial & continued

ALL mutations are detrimental & soon corrected!

Evo-loopies think a Big Bang created the universe

Footnote to such intellectual amoebae....

Explosions destroy everything...

they B=L=O=W U=P EVERYTHING !!

Jet Black · Mar 19, 2004

mrversatile48 said:
RECALL DA 2ND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS?

yes, it's in my signature. read it and learn from it.

Evo-loopies think mutations are beneficial & continued

some are, those that are are selected for by natural selection, because they make bodies that survive to breed.

ALL mutations are detrimental & soon corrected!

corrected by not surviving to breed.

Evo-loopies think a Big Bang created the universe

Footnote to such intellectual amoebae....

Explosions destroy everything...they B=L=O=W U=P EVERYTHING !!

The Big Bang wasn't an explosion. perhaps you should engage your prokaryotic intellect and actually learn about things before you criticise them.

you are an embarassment to my country.

mrversatile48 · Mar 19, 2004

Jet Black said:
that's not how evolution works.
not nescessarily
Darwin did not recant. this is an urban myth.
no, he lost his believe because of what happened to his daughter.
top?!? heh.

What's this?

Refuse you can't offer?

Don Quixote's brain scan?

"Everybody wants to rule the world"

If evolution from 1 species into a different species were real it would be ongoing

We can all see Evo-loopy-loo's motto..

ANOTHER DAY = ANOTHER D=U=H!!!!!

JohnCJ · Mar 19, 2004

mrversatile48 said:
RECALL DA 2ND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS?

All things..

left to themselves..

tend to d-e-c-a-y...

NOT to improve!

mrversatile48 said:
Evo-loopies think mutations are beneficial & continued

ALL mutations are detrimental & soon corrected!

Not all mutations are evident or beneficial or continued or detremental.

Where is the prompt correction of mutation for people with downes syndrome?

mrversatile48 said:
Evo-loopies think a Big Bang created the universe

Footnote to such intellectual amoebae....

Explosions destroy everything...

they B=L=O=W U=P EVERYTHING !!

You don't understand the big bang at all. If there was only thing in the begining and that one thing exploded then what was left over from it would still exist. Just like any other explosion.
Open your eyes you are no longer infallable.

Genesis 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Jet Black · Mar 19, 2004

mrversatile48 said:
If evolution from 1 species into a different species were real it would be ongoing

it is.

JohnCJ · Mar 19, 2004

mrversatile48 said:
What's this?

Refuse you can't offer?

Don Quixote's brain scan?

"Everybody wants to rule the world"

If evolution from 1 species into a different species were real it would be ongoing

We can all see Evo-loopy-loo's motto..

ANOTHER DAY = ANOTHER D=U=H!!!!!

If you have a child and it is different from you then it has evolved. For a species to split into another species and you want to be around to witness it, you will have to live millions of years.

You think God is so simple when the world around you shows you he is not.

packsaddle · Mar 19, 2004

davyuk said:
You have a lot to learn young grasshopper. You just need to take it one step at a time. You either accept creationism and reject all science, or you open you eyes.

my eyes are open, and I still haven't seen any valid, conclusive evidence (using real science i.e. testable, repeatable, observable, etc.) of one creature type turning into another creature type.

did you have a specific example we could examine here in detail, O Wise One?

looking forward to it!

ForeRunner · Mar 19, 2004

Jet Black said:
perhaps you should engage your prokaryotic intellect

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