Evolution False? Absolute proof inside.

[bhsmte]

It means "quoting out of context with a deliberate intention to deceive".

Exactly. I thought everyone knew that. I guess not.

 

[mark kennedy]

Burce Malone on Its supernatural by SidRoth, absolute proof evolution is false. Bruce Malone | Sid Roth - It's Supernatural

It's too bad the evolution controversy is dying, it's sure been a big boost for ministers like Malone. I just wish creationists would get off the geology kick, it's pointless. Genetics is the prize.

 

[Delphiki]

Scientists use carbon dating to find out if somethings billions of years old.

No they don't. This is a lie. Don't lie.

Carbon dating is only accurate up to 60,000 years old. For older things, scientists measure the radioactive decay of other elements with much longer half-lives. Potassium argon dating, for example is for dating things much older than carbon dating can tell us.

and that proves the flood, because how could seashells get on top of the mountain and so called turn in to fossils? which only takes around 4000 or so years to do so, in all truth, but scientists say it takes much longer, but it does not, so back to the question, how could sea shells get 25,000 feet above sea level?

Thrust fault - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Pay attention in school, kids.

 

[mark kennedy]

Scientists use carbon dating to find out if somethings billions of years old.

I think you mean radiometric dating and ask yourself this question. Why did they think the earth was millions of years old before there was radiometric dating? It's interesting to see how this age of the earth and cosmology evolved over time. First it's thousands, then its millions and now they are saying billions, my but the universe is aging quickly.

and that proves the flood, because how could seashells get on top of the mountain and so called turn in to fossils? which only takes around 4000 or so years to do so, in all truth, but scientists say it takes much longer, but it does not, so back to the question, how could sea shells get 25,000 feet above sea level?

I honestly don't know what process mineralizes living creatures but stretching evolution out over billions of years doesn't explain it either.

 

[PsychoSarah]

No, that's not what I referred to. Spare you the details of what is more condescending than the argument 46 and 2 made and I quoted.

I am glad to hear that you actively seek to know God. it is not an easy thing, but WORTH IT!! I wish I knew more about how or why this is easier for me as evidenced by the fact that it's possible, yet eludes the grasp of others. I feel a responsibility to you, and anyone in that position. While I do joke a lot, I am serious about that. Standing offer: if there's anything I can do to help, lemme know.

It's probably some psychology differences between you and I, as well as perhaps some difference in life experiences to an extant. I don't really know if there is much you could do to make me a believer, most other people haven't exactly been helpful in that endeavor. Perhaps because they spread their particular, specific interpretations rather than just going for belief in general.

 

[Queller]

Furthermore, morality without the fear of punishment, or promise of rewards is superior to morality dictated by an authority figure.

This^^^ I had a long argument with a fellow Christian that doing something moral just because it was right was better than doing something moral because God commanded it.

 

[Loudmouth]

I think you mean radiometric dating and ask yourself this question. Why did they think the earth was millions of years old before there was radiometric dating? It's interesting to see how this age of the earth and cosmology evolved over time. First it's thousands, then its millions and now they are saying billions, my but the universe is aging quickly.

It was always the same age. Our ability to measure that age has improved over time.

I honestly don't know what process mineralizes living creatures but stretching evolution out over billions of years doesn't explain it either.

I think we all know that you will never accept any evidence.

 

[theophilus777]

This^^^ I had a long argument with a fellow Christian that doing something moral just because it was right was better than doing something moral because God commanded it.

Other than that belonging in E&M rather than C&E, why does it matter? The worth of actions should be weighed based on the action. You shall know them by their fruits and all that.

 

[Loudmouth]

that would be both a misquote and a quote out of context, but nonetheless a quote mine it is not.

the etymology of the words "quote mine" are such that they exist in forums, online etc. but truly don't exist in the real world. They were birthed on the internet, and debating Creationists. Look it up. I simply refuse to adopt a term that is so redundant when we have "quoting out of context" and "misquoting" already coined.

Quote mining refers to creationists who enter this mountain of evidence that supports evolution, and then excavate one tiny part of a sentence out of that massive mountain in a way that makes the tiny part of one sentence, a little nugget, say the opposite of what the original author meant and what the rest of the evidence indicates. "Quote mining" has a metaphorical quality that the other terms just lack.

 

[Queller]

Other than that belonging in E&M rather than C&E, why does it matter? The worth of actions should be weighed based on the action. You shall know them by their fruits and all that.

To me doing the right thing out of fear of punishment is not a moral or immoral behavior, it is one self-preservation.

Doing the right thing BECAUSE it is the right thing is moral behavior.

There's no reason that a person can't do the right thing because God says so and because they believe it to be right.

I look at it as no different than telling my daughter to apologize for something. If she only apologizes because I told her to, that doesn't really mean much. If she apologizes because she actually realizes what she did was wrong (even if I had to teach her why it was wrong) that is far better of her.

 

[theophilus777]

Quote mining refers to creationists who enter this mountain of evidence that supports evolution, and then excavate one tiny part of a sentence out of that massive mountain in a way that makes the tiny part of one sentence, a little nugget, say the opposite of what the original author meant and what the rest of the evidence indicates. "Quote mining" has a metaphorical quality that the other terms just lack.

Since you're referring to a behavior specific to professing Christians, you might be better off using christianese. The proper term for this would be "proof-texting."

You're welcome.

 

[theophilus777]

Doing the right thing BECAUSE it is the right thing is moral behavior.

And here we have a tautology. Is that moral behavior too?

 

[Queller]

And here we have a tautology. Is that moral behavior too?

What are you talking about?

 

[46AND2]

What are you talking about?

I don't think that word means what he thinks it means.

 

[theophilus777]

The conclusion is equivalent to the premise.

 

[bhsmte]

I don't think that word means what he thinks it means.

Yep!

 

[HitchSlap]

He must have a low opinion of our faith then, eh?

Commensurate with his opinion of evidence, it would seem.

 

[Loudmouth]

The conclusion is equivalent to the premise.

The point is that there is a difference between following orders and being a moral agent. My dog can follow commands with threat of pain or promise of reward. That doesn't make my dog a moral agent. My dog is merely being obedient and could care less about the moral implications. A real moral person is able to determine for themselves what is and isn't the moral thing to do irrespective of any reward or command.

 

[Queller]

The point is that there is a difference between following orders and being a moral agent. My dog can follow commands with threat of pain or promise of reward. That doesn't make my dog a moral agent. My dog is merely being obedient and could care less about the moral implications. A real moral person is able to determine for themselves what is and isn't the moral thing to do inrrespective of any reward or command.

Exactly, thank you.

 

[theophilus777]

A real moral person is able to determine for themselves what is and isn't the moral thing to do irrespective of any reward or command.

Moral behavior is doing the right thing

Doing the right thing is moral behavior

You still have a tautology, which is what I said and you geniuses relished giving me a hard time over.

And with your quote here you can now never complain about ambiguity in the Bible, because that is its purpose. (I can't recall if I've seen you personally make that complaint, but it sure is seen around here quite often, and is a silly complaint per the exact reasoning you give here)