Evolution False? Absolute proof inside.

[lasthero]

Watch his vid #485

Pass.

How is this evidence of a worldwide flood, though?

 

[TasManOfGod]

Pass.

How is this evidence of a worldwide flood, though?

Well if you really wanted to know you would not have passed on the vid.

 

[lasthero]

Well if you really wanted to know you would not have passed on the vid.

I value my time. If I stopped and watched every video that was thrust in front of me, I wouldn't get anything done.

You watched the video, I assume. Can't you just summarize the points you feel are relevant?

 

[TasManOfGod]

I value my time. If I stopped and watched every video that was thrust in front of me, I wouldn't get anything done.

You watched the video, I assume. Can't you just summarize the points you feel are relevant?

I value my time too. Do you think you would summerise a Bible chapter for me. Either you want to know or you dont

 

[lasthero]

I value my time too. Do you think you would summerise a Bible chapter for me. Either you want to know or you dont

Reading a Bible chapter wouldn't take me 45 minutes.

If you're too lazy to even make your own argument, that's fine with me.

 

[PsychoSarah]

In your relatively short number of years on this planet you could not possibly have been at every archelogical dig to know exactly what has been found.

No, but I have been to a museum. What do you know, plant fossils.

 

[RickG]

No you go first and tell me how the nautilus got there. Hey I did what you wanted remember Name a layer and you would discuss it
Well go ahead discuss it

There is nothing wrong with the Nautilus fossils other than their quantity and orientation being misrepresented.

 

[USincognito]

As Cambrian was one of the first sedimentary layers put down during the Flood then of course those other life forms could have avoided being overtaken at an early stage.

I'd suggest you look up what an ad hoc argument is.

In your relatively short number of years on this planet you could not possibly have been at every archelogical dig to know exactly what has been found.

I'd suggest the fact that you think archeologists dig in Cambrian strata tells us you have utterly no idea what you're talking about.

 

[46AND2]

I'd suggest the fact that you think archeologists dig in Cambrian strata tells us you have utterly no idea what you're talking about.

+1

 

[USincognito]

huh?

if you are suggesting that my repost of ignored material is spam, well then this too is something that doesn't exist as well. I should point that out. Spamming is usually referring to advertising schemes, or, say you post your personal website in your signature, that is considered spam. But re-posting material that may have been overlooked or ignored, is not spam.

You seem to think that if you hand wave hard enough, things will go away. I suggest you, instead of telling me what you think it true, you actually read the forum rules:

Repetitive posting of similar or identical posts or threads is not allowed. Do not advertise commercial products or services. This prohibition includes begging or soliciting donations or financial support (charitable or otherwise) anywhere on the site.​

Bold mine. Instead of reposting an entire message 4 or 5 times, you can simply link back to the original post.

the original content stated "virtually all major phyla" or something to that degree.

Well, the major point is below so...

Um.... I don't understand your point really. It's not a problem for creationists/IDers and the host of other non religious people who reject evolution. What it is, is a problem for evolutionists who accept Darwins tree of life as evidence of evolution. The cambrian explosion inverts the tree of life respectively, and it is for that reason there is such debate.

Of course you don't understand it.... everything you claim in the last half of this paragraph is wrong. The tree of life is not inverted by the Cambrian. It is instead vindicated. There are utterly no modern (by which I mean since the Ordovician) vertebrate or plant taxa in the Cambrian. There are no fish, no trees, no ferns, no flowering plants, no reptiles birds or mammals. This even applies to certain invertebrate groups. There are no Decapods (crabs, lobsters, shrimp, etc.) until the Devonian.

None of those branches of the tree of life are found in the Cambrian. They all evolved after that time.

here are some nonpartisan views of darwins tree of life:

The Death of the Tree of Life is Greatly Exaggerated
Evolutionary biologists: Darwin was wrong about the tree of life - San Diego Cultural Trends | Examiner.com

You do realize that the first one vindicates the tree of life concept, right? And examiner.com is an open source website that I don't take very seriously. Perhaps you could take the original source in the examiner.com article and post that instead.

thanks for the comment, incognito.

Us old timers have to keep it real man.

 

[USincognito]

Perhaps they just moved to higher ground and waited for the next sedimentary layer to get caught up in.

Or perhaps they teleported? Or rode around in submarines? Or jumped out of the water so high they landed on a cloud and floated around for... wait, no, they used balloons, filled with rainbow colored unicorn farts.

Ad hoc rationalizations are neither explanations nor science.

 

[TasManOfGod]

There is nothing wrong with the Nautilus fossils other than their quantity and orientation being misrepresented.

Well of course the number and orientation does make it look like a Flood. So what is the number if not 1/cub m and what way are they sorted according to your sources?

 

[USincognito]

No The Flood is real. I read about it in Genesis
How many world wide floods have you studied?

The same as everyone else has studied - zero. That's because none have ever happened.

I assume you are talking fossils in the strata yes?
Chemicals must be injected into soft tissue under heaps of pressure. With the problem of scavenging and corrosion, these chemicals and rate must be very fast in order to preserve the mold. One of three chemicals must be present in the ground when this happens, sodium bicorbonate is one. Not sure. But these must be christalized and present and be injected for the fossilization to reject corrossion. So if there shells, they are long gone now.

I love stuff like this. It reminds me of the Creationist claim that chalk formations are the result of the flood. Of course the amount of carbon in the oceans to allow the bloom that formed locations like the White Cliffs would have turned them into an acid bath.

Here is a good reference to it Millions of Grand Canyon nautiloid fossils prove rapid limestone formation | Young Earth - Age of the Earth - Evidence Against Old Earth Arguments

The fact that you think a blurb on youngearth.org, which references a paper by Steve Austin himself, and links to it on kgov.com - radio nutball Bob Enyart's page - rather than a mainstream Creationist page, much less an actual journal, tells me you are in way over your head with this subject.

 

[USincognito]

Are you suggesting that creationists fabricate their findings?

Did I say that?

I'll gladly paraphrase it. Creationists don't make any findings. They do fabricate their claims however. They also distort and misrepresent actual observations.

 

[TasManOfGod]

I'd suggest the fact that you think archeologists dig in Cambrian strata tells us you have utterly no idea what you're talking about.

Sure looks like a dig to me

More here

Here is one from Chengjiang China

 

[USincognito]

Well of course the number and orientation does make it look like a Flood. So what is the number if not 1/cub m and what way are they sorted according to your sources?

How does the orientation and number "make it look like a flood"? Please, explain in detail why a global flood (an inherently chaotic environment) would cause all of the Orthoceras to wind up with the same orientation (assuming Austin's claims are worth the paper they're printed on)?

Again, in detail please.

 

[biggles53]

No The Flood is real. I read about it in Genesis
How many world wide floods have you studied?

Hahahaha....!!

And I've read about the tales of Ulysses......so what!!??

 

[TasManOfGod]

How does the orientation and number "make it look like a flood"? Please, explain in detail why a global flood (an inherently chaotic environment) would cause all of the Orthoceras to wind up with the same orientation (assuming Austin's claims are worth the paper they're printed on)?

Again, in detail please.

You can read for yourself or watch the video if detail is so important to you. I am not into your game playing.

 

[RickG]

Sure looks like a dig to me

More here

Here is one from Chengjiang China

Yup! Sure is. But wait. Those are paleontologist, not archeologists.

 

[TasManOfGod]

US
Please explain to me why I dont know what I am talking about when I mentioned "Cambrian" and "dig " in the same sentence. The images above clearly show "digging" on what are Cambrian sites. What do you suppose they are digging for?
Please answer in detail