Evolution False? Absolute proof inside.

[createdtoworship]

Okay! Now just one clarification I want to be sure I don't misunderstand. The Tower of Babel story has always fascinated me. This is where God gave everyone a different language and scattered mankind around the world to where they are now, not to mention being really naughty people for trying build a tower to Heaven. But this is the general idea of scattering the people and language that we have to day isn't it? Just want to be sure?

sorry to rain on the parade but the tower of Babel is not in the op and commenting on such things is against forum rules. Please stay on topic.

 

[createdtoworship]

the mysterious Cambrian explosion:

obviously not complete but that the ALL major phyla showed up from no where, and have not gone away since.

its' a problem because of this:

Dr. Paul Chien is chairman of the biology department at the University of San Francisco. He has extensively explored the mysteries of the marvelous Cambrian fossils in Chengjiang, China. Moreover, Chien possesses the largest collection of Chinese Cambrian fossils in North America. In an interview with Real Issue he remarked, “A simple way of putting it is that currently we have about 38 phyla of different groups of animals, but the total number of phyla discovered during that period of time (including those in China, Canada, and elsewhere) adds up to over 50 phyla. That means [there are] more phyla in the very, very beginning, where we found the first fossils [of animal life], than exist now. Stephen J. Gould, [a Harvard University evolutionary biologist], has referred to this as the reverse cone of diversity. The theory of evolution implies that things get more and more complex and get more and more diverse from one single origin. But the whole thing turns out to be reversed. We have more diverse groups in the very beginning, and in fact more and more of them die off over time, and we have less and less now.”- from genesispark.com

Darwin's Dilemma - YouTube

video get interesting about 17 minutes into it when it speaks of darwins doubts over the cambrian explosion:

"IN the sixth chapter I enumerated the chief objections which might be justly urged against the views maintained in this volume. Most of them have now been discussed. One, namely the distinctness of specific forms, and their not being blended together by innumerable transitional links, is a very obvious difficulty...."

origin of species, Darwin

read context here:
X. On the Imperfection of the Geological Record. On the Absence of Intermediate Varieties at the Present Day. Darwin, Charles Robert. 1909-14. Origin of Species. The Harvard Classics


again he doubts:
" To the question why we do not find rich fossiliferous deposits belonging to these assumed earliest periods prior to the Cambrian system, I can give no satisfactory answer. "

origin of species, darwin

X. On the Imperfection of the Geological Record. On the Sudden Appearance of Groups of Allied Species in the Lowest Known Fossiliferous Strata. Darwin, Charles Robert. 1909-14. Origin of Species. The Harvard Classics

and now, back to the op.

any bites?

 

[USincognito]

sorry to rain on the parade but the tower of Babel is not in the op and commenting on such things is against forum rules. Please stay on topic.

You didn't post the OP. The OPer hasn't posted to this thread in weeks. You're not a mod. And this:

and now, back to the op.

any bites?

is not the OP.

 

[createdtoworship]

didn't mean to step on anyones feet, just sayin.

here is something on creation/evolution:

the mysterious Cambrian explosion:

obviously not complete but that the ALL major phyla showed up from no where, and have not gone away since.

its' a problem because of this:

Dr. Paul Chien is chairman of the biology department at the University of San Francisco. He has extensively explored the mysteries of the marvelous Cambrian fossils in Chengjiang, China. Moreover, Chien possesses the largest collection of Chinese Cambrian fossils in North America. In an interview with Real Issue he remarked, “A simple way of putting it is that currently we have about 38 phyla of different groups of animals, but the total number of phyla discovered during that period of time (including those in China, Canada, and elsewhere) adds up to over 50 phyla. That means [there are] more phyla in the very, very beginning, where we found the first fossils [of animal life], than exist now. Stephen J. Gould, [a Harvard University evolutionary biologist], has referred to this as the reverse cone of diversity. The theory of evolution implies that things get more and more complex and get more and more diverse from one single origin. But the whole thing turns out to be reversed. We have more diverse groups in the very beginning, and in fact more and more of them die off over time, and we have less and less now.”- from genesispark.com

Darwin's Dilemma - YouTube

video get interesting about 17 minutes into it when it speaks of darwins doubts over the cambrian explosion:

"IN the sixth chapter I enumerated the chief objections which might be justly urged against the views maintained in this volume. Most of them have now been discussed. One, namely the distinctness of specific forms, and their not being blended together by innumerable transitional links, is a very obvious difficulty...."

origin of species, Darwin

read context here:
X. On the Imperfection of the Geological Record. On the Absence of Intermediate Varieties at the Present Day. Darwin, Charles Robert. 1909-14. Origin of Species. The Harvard Classics


again he doubts:
" To the question why we do not find rich fossiliferous deposits belonging to these assumed earliest periods prior to the Cambrian system, I can give no satisfactory answer. "

origin of species, darwin

X. On the Imperfection of the Geological Record. On the Sudden Appearance of Groups of Allied Species in the Lowest Known Fossiliferous Strata. Darwin, Charles Robert. 1909-14. Origin of Species. The Harvard Classics

 

[createdtoworship]

You didn't post the OP. The OPer hasn't posted to this thread in weeks. You're not a mod. And this:

is not the OP.

fair enough, I was quoting a post however.

and btw:

The OPer hasn't posted to this thread in weeks.

has nothing to do with the legality of staying on topic.

 

[USincognito]

didn't mean to step on anyones feet, just sayin.

It's also against the forum rules to spam.

obviously not complete but that the ALL major phyla showed up from no where, and have not gone away since.

This isn't true. Vetulicolia are extinct.
Vetulicolia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Additionally, the presence of representatives of phyla don't mitigate the biggest problem for Creationists - no modern animal groups are found in the Cambrian. No starfish, crabs, lizards, birds, mammals, etc. None of them. That fact alone shows that a lot of evolution occurred after the Cambrian.

The Cambrian isn't a problem for evolution... it's a problem for Creationists.

 

[TasManOfGod]

It's also against the forum rules to spam.



This isn't true. Vetulicolia are extinct.
Vetulicolia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Additionally, the presence of representatives of phyla don't mitigate the biggest problem for Creationists - no modern animal groups are found in the Cambrian. No starfish, crabs, lizards, birds, mammals, etc. None of them. That fact alone shows that a lot of evolution occurred after the Cambrian.

The Cambrian isn't a problem for evolution... it's a problem for Creationists.

As Cambrian was one of the first sedimentary layers put down during the Flood then of course those other life forms could have avoided being overtaken at an early stage.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

As Cambrian was one of the first sedimentary layers put down during the Flood then of course those other life forms could have avoided being overtaken at an early stage.

Even the clams? Even the Oysters? Every land plant? The Barnacles?

 

[TasManOfGod]

Even the clams? Even the Oysters? Every land plant?

If you haven't found any keep looking. Land plants have a habit of floating and decomposing unless under catastrophic conditions.

 

[PsychoSarah]

If you haven't found any keep looking. Land plants have a habit of floating and decomposing unless under catastrophic conditions.

you fail to understand that, should modern creatures have lived at the same time and places as, say, dinosaurs, it would be statistically impossible for there not to be fossils of them found by now. And we have fossils of plants, tons of them, just younger than fits an extreme literal ideal of creationism.

 

[TasManOfGod]

you fail to understand that, should modern creatures have lived at the same time and places as, say, dinosaurs, it would be statistically impossible for there not to be fossils of them found by now. And we have fossils of plants, tons of them, just younger than fits an extreme literal ideal of creationism.

In your relatively short number of years on this planet you could not possibly have been at every archelogical dig to know exactly what has been found.

 

[createdtoworship]

It's also against the forum rules to spam.

huh?

if you are suggesting that my repost of ignored material is spam, well then this too is something that doesn't exist as well. I should point that out. Spamming is usually referring to advertising schemes, or, say you post your personal website in your signature, that is considered spam. But re-posting material that may have been overlooked or ignored, is not spam.

This isn't true. Vetulicolia are extinct.
Vetulicolia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the original content stated "virtually all major phyla" or something to that degree.

Additionally, the presence of representatives of phyla don't mitigate the biggest problem for Creationists - no modern animal groups are found in the Cambrian. No starfish, crabs, lizards, birds, mammals, etc. None of them. That fact alone shows that a lot of evolution occurred after the Cambrian.

The Cambrian isn't a problem for evolution... it's a problem for Creationists.

Um.... I don't understand your point really. It's not a problem for creationists/IDers and the host of other non religious people who reject evolution. What it is, is a problem for evolutionists who accept Darwins tree of life as evidence of evolution. The cambrian explosion inverts the tree of life respectively, and it is for that reason there is such debate.

here are some nonpartisan views of darwins tree of life:

http://www.texscience.org/reports/sboe-tree-life-2009feb7.htm
http://www.examiner.com/article/evolutionary-biologists-darwin-was-wrong-about-the-tree-of-life

thanks for the comment, incognito.

 

[TasManOfGod]

Worth a mention:

"The tree of life is being politely buried," evolutionary biologist at the University of California Irvine, Michael Rose, was quoted as saying.

He then adds:

"What's less accepted is that our whole fundamental view of biology needs to change."

Is this the final nail on the coffin for evolutionists?

 

[Armoured]

Worth a mention:

Full quote? Because, with all due respect, I imagine this is a quote mine.

 

[Armoured]

In your relatively short number of years on this planet you could not possibly have been at every archelogical dig to know exactly what has been found.

How do academic articles and research aggregations work? It is a mystery!

 

[TasManOfGod]

Full quote? Because, with all due respect, I imagine this is a quote mine.

Yes I mined the whole stream

 

[Kylie]

Worth a mention:

Please. People have been predicting the end of evolutionary theory for how long now? Why is it still around?

 

[Armoured]

Yes I mined the whole stream

Well could you maybe provide the context in which he said it?

 

[TasManOfGod]

Please. People have been predicting the end of evolutionary theory for how long now? Why is it still around?

Well I believe some still think the earth is flat too. Amazing eh?

 

[TasManOfGod]

Well could you maybe provide the context in which he said it?

here