Evolution Exposed

[Loudmouth]

Why? If they were 40 thousand years old and the garden site under water then we wouldn't expect to find anything.

We would see it in the DNA of living humans.

 

[Loudmouth]

It's difficult to find evidence of people that lived a few hundred years ago. Genealogists that go back 6,000 years is nothing short of amazing. If your aware of the magnitude of that or not.

If the human population arose from a single couple a few thousand years ago, then it would be blazing obvious in any study of the human genome.

Still we do have some information of ancient mesopotamia outside of the bible.

You have never heard of the Enuma Elish?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enûma_Eliš

That Mesopotamian religious text predates the bible by thousands of years.

 

[Colter]

We would see it in the DNA of living humans.

We do.

 

[Loudmouth]

We do.

Where is the evidence for a recent genetic bottleneck in the human genome?

 

[Colter]

Where is the evidence for a recent genetic bottleneck in the human genome?

Not a bottleneck, rather the relatively recent spread of Y chromosome and the Microcephalin gene. In my theology Adam and Eve infused their own unique DNA into the existing gene pool.

This is one link about the study of

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC16550/

 

[Colter]

Just found this article while looking for that other link on the Y Chromosome study. Never heard of he guy but his observations are consistent with my beliefs.


"The Minds Big Bang"

William H. Calvin, "The Mind’s Big Bang." An after-dinner speech in San Diego (5 August 2000).

http://williamcalvin.com/2000/SanDiegoSpeech.htm

 

[Loudmouth]

Not a bottleneck,

A single couple giving birth to all of humanity would create a genetic bottleneck.

rather the relatively recent spread of Y chromosome and the Microcephalin gene.

"We report the discovery of an African American Y chromosome that carries the ancestral state of all SNPs that defined the basal portion of the Y chromosome phylogenetic tree. We sequenced ∼240 kb of this chromosome to identify private, derived mutations on this lineage, which we named A00. We then estimated the time to the most recent common ancestor (TMRCA) for the Y tree as 338 thousand years ago (kya) (95% confidence interval = 237–581 kya)."
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929713000736

In my theology Adam and Eve infused their own unique DNA into the existing gene pool.

Every person (except for identical twins) has their own unique DNA.

This is one link about the study of

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC16550/

See the paper above.

 

[Colter]

A single couple giving birth to all of humanity would create a genetic bottleneck.



"We report the discovery of an African American Y chromosome that carries the ancestral state of all SNPs that defined the basal portion of the Y chromosome phylogenetic tree. We sequenced ∼240 kb of this chromosome to identify private, derived mutations on this lineage, which we named A00. We then estimated the time to the most recent common ancestor (TMRCA) for the Y tree as 338 thousand years ago (kya) (95% confidence interval = 237–581 kya)."
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929713000736



Every person (except for identical twins) has their own unique DNA.



See the paper above.

DNA was the wrong term to use. I should have said genes. The DNA of existing humans would have already existed obviously on an evolved earth. We are taught in the UB that Adam and Eve arrived roughly 38,000 years ago. They were of their own race, the Violet race. They were the ninth race to appear on earth.

 

[Loudmouth]

DNA was the wrong term to use. I should have said genes.

Genes are stretches of DNA.

The DNA of existing humans would have already existed obviously on an evolved earth. We are taught in the UB that Adam and Eve arrived roughly 38,000 years ago. They were of their own race, the Violet race. They were the ninth race to appear on earth.

We are taught in the Harry Potter books that there are magic wands. Doesn't make it true.

 

[Colter]

Genes are stretches of DNA.



We are taught in the Harry Potter books that there are magic wands. Doesn't make it true.

Harry Potter books make no claim of revelation, they are fiction.

The Stanford study corresponds roughly with the time table of the arrival of Adam and Eve and the infusion of their genes into the gene pool.


"We consider a data set of DNA sequence variation at three Y chromosome genes (SMCY, DBY, and DFFRY) in a worldwide sample of human Y chromosomes. Between 53 and 70 chromosomes were fully screened for sequence variation at each locus by using the method of denaturing high-performance liquid chromatography. The sum of the lengths of the three genes is 64,120 bp. We have used these data to study the ancestral genealogy of human Y chromosomes. In particular, we focused on estimating the expected time to the most recent common ancestor and the expected ages of certain mutations with interesting geographic distributions.

Although the geographic structure of the inferred haplotype tree is reminiscent of that obtained for other loci (the root is in Africa, and most of the oldest non-African lineages are Asian), the expected time to the most recent common ancestor is remarkably short, on the order of 50,000years. Thus, although previous studies have noted that Y chromosome variation shows extreme geographic structure, we estimate that the spread of Y chromosomes out of Africa is much more recent than previously was thought. We also show that our data indicate substantial population growth in the effective number of human Y chromosomes."​

 

[Loudmouth]

Harry Potter books make no claim of revelation, they are fiction.​

Claims don't make something true.

"We consider a data set of DNA sequence variation at three Y chromosome genes (SMCY, DBY, and DFFRY) in a worldwide sample of human Y chromosomes. Between 53 and 70 chromosomes were fully screened for sequence variation at each locus by using the method of denaturing high-performance liquid chromatography. The sum of the lengths of the three genes is 64,120 bp. We have used these data to study the ancestral genealogy of human Y chromosomes. In particular, we focused on estimating the expected time to the most recent common ancestor and the expected ages of certain mutations with interesting geographic distributions.

Although the geographic structure of the inferred haplotype tree is reminiscent of that obtained for other loci (the root is in Africa, and most of the oldest non-African lineages are Asian), the expected time to the most recent common ancestor is remarkably short, on the order of 50,000years. Thus, although previous studies have noted that Y chromosome variation shows extreme geographic structure, we estimate that the spread of Y chromosomes out of Africa is much more recent than previously was thought. We also show that our data indicate substantial population growth in the effective number of human Y chromosomes."

200,000 years ago is recent?

"We report the discovery of an African American Y chromosome that carries the ancestral state of all SNPs that defined the basal portion of the Y chromosome phylogenetic tree. We sequenced ∼240 kb of this chromosome to identify private, derived mutations on this lineage, which we named A00. We then estimated the time to the most recent common ancestor (TMRCA) for the Y tree as 338 thousand years ago (kya) (95% confidence interval = 237–581 kya)."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3591855/

 

[Colter]

Claims don't make something true.

​

200,000 years ago is recent?

"We report the discovery of an African American Y chromosome that carries the ancestral state of all SNPs that defined the basal portion of the Y chromosome phylogenetic tree. We sequenced ∼240 kb of this chromosome to identify private, derived mutations on this lineage, which we named A00. We then estimated the time to the most recent common ancestor (TMRCA) for the Y tree as 338 thousand years ago (kya) (95% confidence interval = 237–581 kya)."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3591855/

Nor does denying claims make them untrue.

UB claim made in 1934:


Adam and Eve

74:0.1 (828.1) "ADAM AND EVE arrived on Urantia, from the year A.D. 1934, 37,848 years ago. It was in midseason when the Garden was in the height of bloom that they arrived. At high noon and unannounced, the two seraphic transports, accompanied by the Jerusem personnel intrusted with the transportation of the biologic uplifters to Urantia, settled slowly to the surface of the revolving planet in the vicinity of the temple of the Universal Father. All the work of rematerializing the bodies of Adam and Eve was carried on within the precincts of this newly created shrine. And from the time of their arrival ten days passed before they were re-created in dual human form for presentation as the world’s new rulers. They regained consciousness simultaneously. The Material Sons and Daughters always serve together. It is the essence of their service at all times and in all places never to be separated. They are designed to work in pairs; seldom do they function alone." UB 1955


Genesis claim:

"And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place. 22 Then the rib which the Lord God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man.

Science Magazine

• > 9 September 2005

• > Evans et al., 309 (5741): 1717-1720

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Science 9 September 2005:
Vol. 309 no. 5741 pp. 1717-1720
DOI: 10.1126/science.1113722

• Report

Microcephalin, a Gene Regulating Brain Size, Continues to Evolve Adaptively in Humans

1. Patrick D. Evans1,2,
2. Sandra L. Gilbert1,
3. Nitzan Mekel-Bobrov1,2,
4. Eric J. Vallender1,2,
5. Jeffrey R. Anderson1,
6. Leila M. Vaez-Azizi1,
7. Sarah A. Tishkoff4,
8. Richard R. Hudson3,
9. Bruce T. Lahn1,*

+ Author Affiliations

1. ↵* To whom correspondence should be addressed. E-mail: blahn@bsd.uchicago.edu

• Abstract

The gene Microcephalin (MCPH1) regulates brain size and has evolved under strong positive selection in the human evolutionary lineage. We show that one genetic variant of Microcephalin in modern humans, which arose ∼37,000 years ago, increased in frequency too rapidly to be compatible with neutral drift. This indicates that it has spread under strong positive selection, although the exact nature of the selection is unknown. The finding that an important brain gene has continued to evolve adaptively in anatomically modern humans suggests the ongoing evolutionary plasticity of the human brain. It also makes Microcephalin an attractive candidate locus for studying the genetics of human variation in brain-related phenotypes.

 

[Loudmouth]

Nor does denying claims make them untrue.

So where is your evidence?

Microcephalin, a Gene Regulating Brain Size, Continues to Evolve Adaptively in Humans

You would see more than one gene fit the time period if your claims were true. You are ignoring all of the other genes that have different coalescent dates.

 

[joshua 1 9]

If the human population arose from a single couple a few thousand years ago,

The bible is not talking about the "human population" the Bible is a history of the Hebrew people and the Hebrew nation called Israel. When they talk about non Hebrews they call them gentiles.

 

[Colter]

So where is your evidence?


You would see more than one gene fit the time period if your claims were true. You are ignoring all of the other genes that have different coalescent dates.

From what I have read about the study of Microcephalin (MCPH1) It appeared to begin a rapid distribution from around 37,000. At least one researcher theorizes that the increased disease resistance may explain higher survival rates of carriers as well as increased IQ. If the offspring of Adam and Eve began to migrate and mate with other cultures (such as Cain finding a wife in the Land of Nod) then the observations would be consistent with the claim.

The Riddle of Microcephalin

http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2014/04/the-riddle-of-microcephalin.html

 

[joshua 1 9]

Where is the science behind how he has proven evolution wrong. Be specific please.

Did you miss the link? I will post it again. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread519306/pg1

 

[joshua 1 9]

Where is the evidence that the Hebrew people all descend from a single breeding pair?

Do you mean rather than a patriarch and matriarch living at different times?

 

[Loudmouth]

Do you mean rather than a patriarch and matriarch living at different times?

Are you just making it up at this point?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Why? If they were 40 thousand years old and the garden site under water then we wouldn't expect to find anything.

Science is well aware of the domesticated plants and animals we find in the middle east. All of these came out of the garden of Eden. We read about all these plants and animals in the Bible.

 

[Loudmouth]

Did you miss the link? I will post it again. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread519306/pg1

That is a horrid website. It uses arguments that have been refuted time and again.