Evolution Exposed

[Loudmouth]

One man's view.

That is how all scientists view science, observations, and theories.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Exactly. Everything in science (understanding of reality) is provisional. As better evidence comes in and our understanding of theories improve, and thus science advances. It's a hallmark of the SM!

The laws of the universe remain consistent. Only our understanding improves. God does not change. We grow in our understanding.

 

[Loudmouth]

It's just a belief system - a religion if you like.

Evolution is a scientific theory based on evidence, not beliefs.

 

[Loudmouth]

The accounts given in the Bible would explain this just as well and since God knows everything by definition, a Christian ought to be able to trust what He has told us as far as He has chosen to reveal things to us.

What you are trusting are stories written by men. You seem to worship a book instead of God.

 

[Loudmouth]

But secular scientists do exactly the same thing. They rule out any possibility of God being involved and even if the evidence points the other way, it cannot be taken into consideration as one famous evolutionist once quipped.

Scientists ignore god claims because there is no evidence for them. In science, you don't need to rule out the unevidenced. When a forensic scientist does DNA tests, he doesn't have to rule out God planting fake DNA at crime scenes.

 

[Not_By_Chance]

Please learn to use the "Reply" function correctly, it's a little confusing to other posters to have to parse out who said what.

NBC said:

But secular scientists do exactly the same thing. They rule out any possibility of God being involved and even if the evidence points the other way, it cannot be taken into consideration as one famous evolutionist once quipped.[/QUOTE]

Incorrect. Scientists study the natural world. God/s are a supernatural claim, and as such, cannot be proven or disproven. It's cdesign proponentsists who claim that "goddidit," which puts the burden of proof on "you guys." If you want to believe in a god/s, fine. If you want to assert god's did it, then you need to demonstrate it's existence.[/QUOTE]
You can't "demonstrate" God's existence, but He's left enough evidence in his creation, "Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."

 

[Loudmouth]

You can't "demonstrate" God's existence, but He's left enough evidence in his creation, "Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."

What is that evidence?

 

[joshua 1 9]

What are the half-truths you are referring to?

Half life is the amount of time it takes for something to fall to half its value. It's used in nuclear physics and they use it to describe drugs in medicine. This is also what expiration dates are for.

 

[HitchSlap]

The laws of the universe remain consistent. Only our understanding improves. God does not change. We grow in our understanding.

I have no idea whether your god changes, as I've yet to see evidence for it's existence. However, your claims of god/s change all the time.

As I said, reality is there for us to discover, and as our detection skills improve, so does our understanding of reality. For instance, the ancient Hebrews believed a metal dome (raqiya), or firmament covered the earth, as science progressed, we discovered this to be false. This is how science "works," and why the bible and claims of god/s add nothing to our knowledge of reality, and in many documented instances, actually hindered it's progress.

 

[joshua 1 9]

What is that evidence?

Christians consider the laws of science to be evidence for a God that does not change.

 

[Loudmouth]

Half life is the amount of time it takes for something to fall to half its value. It's used in nuclear physics and they use it to describe drugs in medicine. This is also what expiration dates are for.

I asked about half-truths, not half lives.

 

[Loudmouth]

Christians consider the laws of science to be evidence for a God that does not change.

How are the laws of science evidence for God?

 

[HitchSlap]

Please learn to use the "reply" function correctly.

NBC said:
You can't "demonstrate" God's existence, but He's left enough evidence in his creation, "Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."[/QUOTE]

HS said:
Poppycock. Maybe it's been Bob all along.

 

[HitchSlap]

Christians consider the laws of science to be evidence for a God that does not change.

Maybe it's evidence for Bob. How would you know if you were wrong?

 

[joshua 1 9]

I have no idea whether your god changes, as I've yet to see evidence for it's existence. However, your claims of god/s change all the time.
This is how science "works," and why the bible and claims of god/s add nothing to our knowledge of reality, and in many documented instances, actually hindered it's progress.

There are many God fearing men that have done a lot to increase our scientific understanding. Just as there are people that like to throw a monkey wrench in to stymie progress.

 

[Not_By_Chance]

What you are trusting are stories written by men. You seem to worship a book instead of God.

No, not at all. Christians who are consistent with their beliefs, regard the Bible as the word of God, that is to say, God is the author and men wrote it down as they were moved by the spirit. There are things recorded in the Bible that wouldn't have been known at the time. Then there is the consistent message running throughout and given that its 66 books were written by around 40 authors over a period of about 1,500 years, that's nothing short of remarkable. Then there are the prophesies that came true many centuries later and are still continuing to do so. In addition, there are thousands more ancient copies of the Bible than any other documents from antiquity and some of the New Testament documents can be traced back to only a few years after the death of Christ.

 

[Loudmouth]

No, not at all. Christians who are consistent with their beliefs, regard the Bible as the word of God,

Believing it doesn't make it true. What you have are the words of men that you have elevated to the level of God.

There are things recorded in the Bible that wouldn't have been known at the time.

This is the funny bit. For things that a literal interpretation of the Bible gets wrong, you throw out the science. Where they seemingly agree, you point to the agreement as evidence that the Bible is inspired by the supernatural.

Do you see the problem?

Then there is the consistent message running throughout and given that its 66 books were written by around 40 authors over a period of about 1,500 years, that's nothing short of remarkable.

Not that hard to do when each author has the work of the other authors.

Then there are the prophesies that came true many centuries later and are still continuing to do so.

Except for the ones that don't come true. How do you explain that?

In addition, there are thousands more ancient copies of the Bible than any other documents from antiquity and some of the New Testament documents can be traced back to only a few years after the death of Christ.

Popularity does not indicate accuracy.

 

[Not_By_Chance]

Scientists ignore god claims because there is no evidence for them. In science, you don't need to rule out the unevidenced. When a forensic scientist does DNA tests, he doesn't have to rule out God planting fake DNA at crime scenes.

If it weren't for God, there wouldn't be any DNA in the first place!

 

[Loudmouth]

There are many God fearing men that have done a lot to increase our scientific understanding. Just as there are people that like to throw a monkey wrench in to stymie progress.

How many of those God fearing men include supernatural processes in their scientific theories?

 

[Loudmouth]

If it weren't for God, there wouldn't be any DNA in the first place!

Evidence?