Evolution, exists, just as dinosaurs once did ?

[Areal Person]

Hi,
This is kinda a multi-part question/observation. Please correct any errors I have made.

Part A.
God created Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. Now Adam and Eve are clearly Jews. The Bible also say's the Jews are not the wild olive tree and that Gentiles are a wild olive tree that is (can be) grafted in through Christ.

Part B.
We know that Dinosaurs did exist. This is a scientific fact, as they have found the bones. It's my understanding that evolution is also a scientific fact. Things like cells, plants and animals do change over time (evolve) to adapt to their environment.

Part C.
Science has also proven that Neanderthal Cavemen once existed and may have been absorbed into the gene pool of homosapien man. (They can find the genetic markers in our human DNA, and they have found the bones also)

Jesus at least one time, referred to certain people as “Dogs”. (I'm not sure if this reference is in the right context for the example I'm trying to make)

Question:
So is it not possible that Gentiles could be at least part from apes ? And subject to evolution? While the Jews were obviously directly created by God in the garden of Eden. We know that the Jewish bloodline leading to Christ was very specific and managed by God's plan, as his body was/is very special and perfect.

It's just that, I've always been taught that everyone came from the garden of Eden
From Adams line, but that would mean that all people are Jewish. Or did everyone come from Adams Line, and are all Jews according to the flesh?

How/Where (If anywhere) does scripture disprove or support this suggestion(s) ?

Thanks

 

[AvgJoe]

Hi,
This is kinda a multi-part question/observation. Please correct any errors I have made.

Part A.
God created Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. Now Adam and Eve are clearly Jews. The Bible also say's the Jews are not the wild olive tree and that Gentiles are a wild olive tree that is (can be) grafted in through Christ.

No, Adam & Eve were not Jews. Judaism started with Abraham, about 1,948 years after Creation, around the year 1800 BC.

Part B.
We know that Dinosaurs did exist. This is a scientific fact, as they have found the bones. It's my understanding that evolution is also a scientific fact. Things like cells, plants and animals do change over time (evolve) to adapt to their environment.

If by evolution, you mean Darwin's theory of evolution, no, it is not a scientific fact, it is unproven. A scientific theory is a reasoned explanation that appears to fit all the facts at hand but that cannot be tested and verified as scientific law through the observed results of repeated experiments according to the scientific method. Evolutionary theory cannot be verified through observation because it has supposedly transpired over eons of time—and therefore must remain a theory rather than a proven law.

However, Darwinian evolution should not truly be classed as a scientific theory since it does not really fit the evidence that exists in a reasonable way. Charles Darwin admitted that the available fossil evidence didn’t support his theory of “survival of the fittest,” better known as evolution. But he expected that plenty of evidence would be found in the coming years. Now, more than a century and a half later, the evidence still fails to support his theory—showing people accept Darwinian evolution more as an article of faith rather than of fact.

Part C.
Science has also proven that Neanderthal Cavemen once existed and may have been absorbed into the gene pool of homosapien man. (They can find the genetic markers in our human DNA, and they have found the bones also)

Jesus at least one time, referred to certain people as “Dogs”. (I'm not sure if this reference is in the right context for the example I'm trying to make)

In Matthew 15:26, Jesus was using a metaphor. He was not saying that someone was an actual dog.

Question:
So is it not possible that Gentiles could be at least part from apes ? And subject to evolution? While the Jews were obviously directly created by God in the garden of Eden. We know that the Jewish bloodline leading to Christ was very specific and managed by God's plan, as his body was/is very special and perfect.

It's just that, I've always been taught that everyone came from the garden of Eden
From Adams line, but that would mean that all people are Jewish. Or did everyone come from Adams Line, and are all Jews according to the flesh?

How/Where (If anywhere) does scripture disprove or support this suggestion(s) ?

Thanks

None of mankind evolved from apes or any other animal. As it says in Genesis 3:20, Adam & Eve are the parents of all who live,

20 Then the man—Adam—named his wife Eve, because she would be the mother of all who live.
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[ScottA]

Hi,
This is kinda a multi-part question/observation. Please correct any errors I have made.

Part A.
God created Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. Now Adam and Eve are clearly Jews. The Bible also say's the Jews are not the wild olive tree and that Gentiles are a wild olive tree that is (can be) grafted in through Christ.

Part B.
We know that Dinosaurs did exist. This is a scientific fact, as they have found the bones. It's my understanding that evolution is also a scientific fact. Things like cells, plants and animals do change over time (evolve) to adapt to their environment.

Part C.
Science has also proven that Neanderthal Cavemen once existed and may have been absorbed into the gene pool of homosapien man. (They can find the genetic markers in our human DNA, and they have found the bones also)

Jesus at least one time, referred to certain people as “Dogs”. (I'm not sure if this reference is in the right context for the example I'm trying to make)

Question:
So is it not possible that Gentiles could be at least part from apes ? And subject to evolution? While the Jews were obviously directly created by God in the garden of Eden. We know that the Jewish bloodline leading to Christ was very specific and managed by God's plan, as his body was/is very special and perfect.

It's just that, I've always been taught that everyone came from the garden of Eden
From Adams line, but that would mean that all people are Jewish. Or did everyone come from Adams Line, and are all Jews according to the flesh?

How/Where (If anywhere) does scripture disprove or support this suggestion(s) ?

Thanks

Adam and Eve are the ancestors of all humanity. The Jews (or Israel proper) were a "chosen people" out of the nations.

But...it really sounds like you are actually having trouble reconciling the word of God with the world of science... And yet, why would they need to agree? The world is enmity with God...and His kingdom is not of this world!

Remember that this world was cast out from the presence of God.

You detectives - you go through the trash, and then claim that trash does not agree with good - and you are right!

But what you have discovered is not evolution - it's decay... Will you now glory in it?

 

[Ken Behrens]

Part A has been amply explained. Dinosaurs are the bird and reptile experiments done by the nephilim to practice making the giants. The neanderthals are some of Adam and Eve's children. According to the legends, they separated into two groups after being thrown from the garden. There was a span of about 200 years when the first group operated under very low intelligence, while the second group prayed for God to forgive them. The effects of prayer became obvious in due course. Most of the first group is the Neanderthals, and the second group eventually turned against God, and became the nephilim, although some became the men of God who ultimately produced Enoch and Noah.

 

[Greg J.]

I believe the Adam & Eve narrative is true (and not metaphorical). I also believe dinosaur bones and layers of sediment are real. But whether a person is spiritual or scientific, I question human reasoning, logic, and deduction. When Adam sinned, all that he was Lord of fell, i.e., the earth. It is easy for me to believe that evidence against God was created (by twisting things that already existed) from that—however I can not say whether it actually happened or not.

What is fact is that people have spiritual blindness. Scripture speaks of it regarding unbelievers, but we also see it every day in the Christian-only forums. Those who are more spiritually mature can perceive, understand, and believe things in Scripture that others cannot. Everyone has various forums of spiritual blindness.

Perhaps most importantly, experiencing God has grown my faith into knowledge that he is real. I do not feel the need to be able to reconcile everyone's ideas, especially ideas from the world, with the truth. Experience has shown that I will never be able to reconcile every question people raise with the truth. I don't have the knowledge required (or the the processing power). I am comfortable leaving these two apparently contradictory beliefs as they are. In other matters I have not been comfortable and have been driven to seek God for answers and subsequently been satisfied. But I have not been called to be able to reconcile evolution and Adam.

Something to keep in mind is that all of science and scientific thinking started with observations. There is nothing in all science that did not start with someone observing something and asking a question. Science is a very big structure built upon what has been observable. It has no capability to address anything which, at its root, is not observable. Science can be thought of as evidence followed by human deduction then application. It's no wonder that unbelieving people classify the existence of God as fantasy. Fantasy is also a large structure, but it was built on human imagination, rather than concrete evidence. However, fantasies are easier to accept because people are in general agreement that it's not real. (However, like spiritual things, fantasies, in general, also cannot be proven to not be real. They could be happening on the other side of the universe somewhere.)

 

[Mister_Al]

Remember that something has to exist before it can evolve. If God had not created all things there would not be anything existing to evolve into something.

Alan

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Remember that something has to exist before it can evolve. If God had not created all things there would not be anything existing to evolve into something.

Alan

Don't forget that Yhwh created all things as they are, specifically NOT to evolve. (in fact, mankind overall has gotten worse in body, mind, and soul)

And the ideas of evilution came from the pit (hell/ satan/ sin/ carnal flesh/ corruption).

 

[Mister_Al]

Don't forget that Yhwh created all things as they are, specifically NOT to evolve. (in fact, mankind overall has gotten worse in body, mind, and soul)

And the ideas of evilution came from the pit (hell/ satan/ sin/ carnal flesh/ corruption).

That is true in the sense that Alligators cant cross with horses because each must reproduce after its own kind. However, a brown horse can mate with a white horse and produce a totally different colored horse (evolution).

Blessings,

Alan

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

That's not evolution. Never was, never has been.

 

[crossnote]

When I see the downward spiral from my grandfather's generation to mine and now to my grandchildren's, I am more convinced than ever that it is not evolution but de-evolution that is taking place. Ooops, ScottA already mentioned 'decay' .