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Evolution Enriches Christianity - Christian Advent Seminar Series

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Schroeder wrote:

No i did not (listen to any of the sermons that are the topic of this thread - my add.). dont have time to do it. just throwing in my two sense.

Is it a good idea, generally, to look into the topic of a thread before posting to it?


did all this reading and such awhile ago.

That's always a good start, if the sources are reliable, and especially if you read (and understood) more from the other side than your own. As a good faith gesture, perhaps you could answer some very basic questions, like naming four different fields that scientists say give evidence in support of evolution, and perhaps the approximate number of amphibian species that suddenly appeared in the Cambrian Explosion?

So saying in a loose way that all animals have exsisted in their present form since the beginning means they dont believe in evolution or speciation. HARDLY.

Um, yes, that's exactly what that means. If evolution happens, then by definition all animals aren't in the same form they were "since the beginning". How could they still be in the same form they were "since the beginning" if they are changing over time?


I know thats what you lkike to here. but i dont seet he guestion or how it was worded or how they actually answered it.

I'm sorry, I didn't understand that.


The question seems to have directly asked exactly what you wanted - whether or not animals have changed over time (evolution). How would you word that question, in a concise and survey-usable way?

nice but your the one makeing it so. distorting polls which are weak anyways.

I'm sorry that reporting poll data bothered you. I didn't distort any poll - I reported exactly what it found, and it asked exactly what you wanted, did it not?


i drive a school bus so it is at times, or at least some of the kids are a pain.

Hey, good to see that you'll at least be getting some time off for the holidays.

I am a creationist so i wasnt really saying they were funny.

Oh, sorry. Which type? Old earth? Young earth? Gap? Day-age? Two human creations (like Whirlwind)? Hyper evolution? Intelligent Design (which often allows for human evolution from apes)? Kind> species?

Blessings-

Papias

P.S., for Greg:


First, Greg, to show that you are actually interested in the the topic of this thread, would you like to tell us how many of the interviews you listened to, and which ideas in them you found most and least inspiring? I'm sure you've learned about a thread before posting to it.
 
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Hey, I've been slowly working through these, and they have some awesome and powerful stuff!

Lamoreux's testimony of his path is similar to people I know, and his conversion by the power of the Gospel of John at Cyprus is moving.

Others talk about their experiences with students and elsewhere in the world, but more importantly, how a fuller understanding of God's glorious creation has deepened and turbocharged their Chrisitan faith. The pool table analogy has been described by one of the interviewees, and it's a clear illustration.

I know this thread, like most others, was hijacked for a while by creationists making off topic bare assertions, but hopefully we can get back on topic.

The past interviews can be listened to for free here:

Evolutionary Christianity || Audio Downloads

Oh yeah, and perfect for today, the Sanguin interview ends with a powerful poem about Christmas, showing how an understanding of evolution amplifies the glory of Jesus.

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P.S. Mallon wrote:

ability to write ∝ acceptance of science

Yes, it does seem that way, from many different posts. It's as if they were both related to another factor which influences them both......
 
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One of the great insights that has come up (now coming up in two of these interviews) is the repetition in the old and new testaments of the concept of promise - that an important part of Christianity is that God promises things about the future to those in a given time. It was pointed out how evolution supports this - were the fish has the promise of later dinosaurs, bats and humans, or where the chimp has the promise of the Jewish people, and so on.....


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Schroeder wrote:



Is it a good idea, generally, to look into the topic of a thread before posting to it?
i have but it has been awhile. just bored and threw in my two sense to see if I am interested in going into this again.




Reliable? depends on your thinking i believe as to what you think is reliable and what is not. AGAIN you speaking the theory or the actual evolution. animals change over time or animals have evolved from one common ansector into what we have today. why would a sudden explosian of amphipians support long slow change over time. Right after a earth changeing destroying event. Why or how would creatures evolve after such a thing or hwy wouldnt they have to start all over etc. Not sure i get the 98% extinction yet the thoery just rolls right along without a hitch not needing to start over or totally changeing the theory tree of life. it branches so nice even with two so called extinctions.

Same form as in fish to amphibian to reptile to mammal or many variaties of a certain species as in finches observed by Darwin. the first being the theory the second being evolution or speciation






The question seems to have directly asked exactly what you wanted - whether or not animals have changed over time (evolution). How would you word that question, in a concise and survey-usable way?
Well like i said its a matter of how they are thinking it. A lion or lizard or whatever in the beggining stilklk being a lion or lizard today yes BUT with some changes to it as in speciation. I doubt they mean a lion then or whatever kind of bird or fish or reptile is still just like it was then.


I'm sorry that reporting poll data bothered you. I didn't distort any poll - I reported exactly what it found, and it asked exactly what you wanted, did it not?
didnt just that polls are fixable to create what they want it to say.



Hey, good to see that you'll at least be getting some time off for the holidays.
yes it was nice.


Oh, sorry. Which type? Old earth? Young earth? Gap? Day-age? Two human creations (like Whirlwind)? Hyper evolution? Intelligent Design (which often allows for human evolution from apes)? Kind> species?

Blessings-

Papias
not sure it matters. Dont believe in the theory of evolution. age of earth is beside the point. Dont think we can fully understand it all anyways. still a lot of info out there that will change views. we only been studying this for what hundred years maybe give or take. less then 50 with real scientific break throughs and supposed high intellgent computors and such.
 
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Schroeder, sorry for not answering sooner.

However, your post, I feel, requires little response from me for any person reading it to understand enough to dismiss your view. There are several reasons for this. First, you didn't bother to read the thread or even stay on topic. Second, you clearly are cluess about the Cambrian explosion (and you ignored my direct question about it). Towards the end, by saying "don't think we can understand it all", you seem to be denying scientific progress - which has transformed our lives. I'm sorry I don't consider your post worth my time.

Actually getting back on topic-

The series keeps getting better and better! If you aren't listening to it, you are missing a powerful way to strengthen your walk with the Lord. Next, there will be panel discussions (check the same website).

Two interesting gems in a recent interview:

Question: Do you see the Bible as literally true?
Answer: Oh, of course not! The Bible is much more true than that!
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Another was to point out that our Bibles do usually contain verses that tell us that God reveals information outside of the Bibles - in the real world. Our various Bibles are just chapters in the larger body of God's revelation, which is the real world.

For instance:

Psalm 19:

The heavens declare the glory of God;
the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
Day after day they pour forth speech;
night after night they reveal knowledge.
They have no speech, they use no words;
no sound is heard from them.
Yet their voice goes out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world.



So if God's glory is being told by the natural world, and that world is not using any words, then how is it's voice going out to all the earth? Simple- the world is proclaiming the glory of God through the findings of science, that large part of God's revelation that is still being revealed today.

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