Evolution details

[Tom 1]

Does this suggest some details of evolutionary theory need revising, or is it old news?

How These Cute Creatures Confound Evolutionary Theory

 

[Nithavela]

Not really.

Island populations are always an exception. Genetic diversity helps with unexpected new situations like foreign species or diseases. Those aren't a factor in island populations. They have no incentive to diversify. Still, when you introduce a new predator or other species into a closed system like an island, you can quickly see the native species getting into problems.

As for Orang-utans, they fall prey to human destruction of their habitat like many other species. Genetic diversity means little when compared to human intelligence and destructiveness. Our intellect is the great equaliser, allowing us to fly higher than birds, move faster than cheetas, feed a hundred times more of us per area than grazing animals and kill creatures far more deadly than us.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Evolution can easily be tested by observing what happens to the flu virus if people begin to improve their health. As it is the flu virus mutates (evolves) regularly to compensate for the vaccinations prepared to deal with it. And because disease is nature's way of removing an "unfit organism", in this case unhealthy humans, it follows that if human become "fit" the virus will no longer afflict us, and indeed will stop mutating (evolving).

Of course if successful it will suggest creation, not evolution.

 

[Nithavela]

Evolution can easily be tested by observing what happens to the flu virus if people begin to improve their health. As it is the flu virus mutates (evolves) regularly to compensate for the vaccinations prepared to deal with it. And because disease is nature's way of removing an "unfit organism", in this case unhealthy humans, it follows that if human become "fit" the virus will no longer afflict us, and indeed will stop mutating (evolving).

Of course if successful it will suggest creation, not evolution.

To say that diseases are "natures way" to do something is needless anthropomorphization.

 

[Thomas1987]

Evolution can easily be tested by observing what happens to the flu virus if people begin to improve their health. As it is the flu virus mutates (evolves) regularly to compensate for the vaccinations prepared to deal with it. And because disease is nature's way of removing an "unfit organism", in this case unhealthy humans, it follows that if human become "fit" the virus will no longer afflict us, and indeed will stop mutating (evolving).

Of course if successful it will suggest creation, not evolution.

According to biology Virus is not living organism so how does it adapt ?

 

[Nithavela]

According to biology Virus is not living organism so how does it adapt ?

It still has DNA that is prone to mutation and according natural selection.

The reason why it doesn't count as alive is that needs other living beings to reproduce.

 

[xianghua]

It still has DNA that is prone to mutation and according natural selection.

The reason why it doesn't count as alive is that needs other living beings to reproduce.

its also bring the question of how viruses evolved at the first place since they need a host.

 

[Nithavela]

its also bring the question of how viruses evolved at the first place since they need a host.

They evolved/developed from prions, which are sort of like self-replicating proteins.

 

[Hieronymus]

its also bring the question of how viruses evolved at the first place since they need a host.

Like computer viruses, i think they're probably created by ill willing entities.

 

[Nithavela]

Like computer viruses, i think they're probably created by ill willing entities.

Yeah, why go with mountains of evidence and logic when you can just dream up a scenario based on a similiarly named but entirely different thing humans make?

 

[Thomas1987]

It still has DNA that is prone to mutation and according natural selection.

The reason why it doesn't count as alive is that needs other living beings to reproduce.

Natural selection only applies to living organism and not viruses .

 

[Nithavela]

Natural selection only applies to living organism and not viruses .

Natural selection on the influenza virus genome. - PubMed - NCBI

 

[Tom 1]

Not really.

Island populations are always an exception. Genetic diversity helps with unexpected new situations like foreign species or diseases. Those aren't a factor in island populations. They have no incentive to diversify. Still, when you introduce a new predator or other species into a closed system like an island, you can quickly see the native species getting into problems.

As for Orang-utans, they fall prey to human destruction of their habitat like many other species. Genetic diversity means little when compared to human intelligence and destructiveness. Our intellect is the great equaliser, allowing us to fly higher than birds, move faster than cheetas, feed a hundred times more of us per area than grazing animals and kill creatures far more deadly than us.

Thanks for the info

 

[xianghua]

They evolved/developed from prions, which are sort of like self-replicating proteins.

but we know about species that cant survive without retroviruses. so how they existed before they get those viral insertions?

 

[Doctor.Sphinx]

but we know about species that cant survive without retroviruses. so how they existed before they get those viral insertions?

Exactly. Evolution can't even answer the simple questions, such as "If evolution is true, why are there still monkeys?"

Its more a religion than anything else these days, in light of all the science and evidence we have disproving it.

 

[Nithavela]

but we know about species that cant survive without retroviruses. so how they existed before they get those viral insertions?

Example?

 

[Nithavela]

Exactly. Evolution can't even answer the simple questions, such as "If evolution is true, why are there still monkeys?"

Its more a religion than anything else these days, in light of all the science and evidence we have disproving it.

Poe.

 

[Doctor.Sphinx]

Poe.

So, answering for evolution... Why are there still monkeys? I mean, if man evolved from monkeys, which, as monkeys still exist, it should be obvious that he didn't.

 

[Nithavela]

So, answering for evolution... Why are there still monkeys? I mean, if man evolved from monkeys, which, as monkeys still exist, it should be obvious that he didn't.

Still calling poe.

 

[Doctor.Sphinx]

Still calling poe.

Is that the answer given by evolutionists, rather than endeavoring to explain the simple questions that evolution can't really explain? No matter, I didn't expect that you'd be able to answer it using evolutionary theory, its just refreshing to come across an evolutionist who is so honest about the theory's shortcomings with respect to the simple matters.