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No need to prove what is self evident in history and the world we live in. The bible has impact, even the village idiot would know that.You made a statement - you must prove it, or else it will just be ignored as an assertion. Of course your unwillingness to do so speaks volumes for the foundation of your argument.
So arguing that "God created" vs. "nature evolved" has nothing to do with theism vs. atheism?
Wouldn't the statement, "God loves everybody" be an argument against atheism?
I disagree.Wouldn't the statement, "God loves everybody" be an argument against atheism?
Only if God's love made a measurable impact on the atheists' perceptions. Otherwise its just meaningless words to them.
I disagree.
That means that the atheist makes the determination what is against them or not.
If Joe says, "Houses don't exist," and Tom says, "My house is pretty;" is Tom's statement a statement against Joe's?
You seem to be saying: Only if Tom's house made a measurable impact on Joe's perception.
What if Joe is blind? or mentally handicapped? or believes Tom's house is a movie prop?
The laws of physics are going to be changed again -- after the millennial reign of Christ.
According to Peter, God is going to suspend the strong nuclear force and the sub-atomic particles are going to fly apart.
2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Note that it's not a "big bang" we believe in, but a "great noise."
Gravity, of course, will be suspended, as we traverse back and forth from Earth2 to a 1500 cubed-mile city (New Jerusalem) hovering above, via the King's Highway.
Photosynthesis and the sun will take a backseat to Christ, Himself.
Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
I disagree.
That means that the atheist makes the determination what is against them or not.
If Joe says, "Houses don't exist," and Tom says, "My house is pretty;" is Tom's statement a statement against Joe's?
You seem to be saying: Only if Tom's house made a measurable impact on Joe's perception.
What if Joe is blind? or mentally handicapped? or believes Tom's house is a movie prop?
And what is that?
By the way tell us how chromosomes fuse?
No need to prove what is self evident in history and the world we live in. The bible has impact, even the village idiot would know that.
To be disproved, it would need to first be proved. Work on that. It is a foolish fable.The Theory of Evolution.
So you support the OP not by knowledge but faith? OK.I have no idea.
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Originally Posted by loktai
You made a statement - you must prove it, or else it will just be ignored as an assertion. Of course your unwillingness to do so speaks volumes for the foundation of your argument.
Anyone who can't develop at least a half dozen fitting punch lines from that one lead-in has absolutely no sense of humor.
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To be disproved, it would need to first be proved. Work on that. It is a foolish fable.
Pretty lame. You offer ratios as if they are a result of one particular state. Worthless. You were asked to prove there was decay even...you failed.Already proven.
False. It is evidence that the former state allowed transfer of stuff in ways that the present state does not. Whoopee do. The chimp knows better than science.First, the distribution of provirus-containing loci among taxa dates the insertion. Given the size of vertebrate genomes (>1 × 10^9 bp) and the random nature of retroviral integration (22, 23), multiple integrations (and subsequent fixation) of ERV loci at precisely the same location are highly unlikely (24). Therefore, an ERV locus shared by two or more species is descended from a single integration event and is proof that the species share a common ancestor into whose germ line the original integration took place (14).We share 200,000 of these orthologous ERV's with chimps. This is irrefutable proof that we evolved from a common ancestor.
Constructing primate phylogenies from ancient retrovirus sequences
To be disproved, it would need to first be proved. Work on that. It is a foolish fable.
So you support the OP not by knowledge but faith? OK.
Pretty lame. You offer ratios as if they are a result of one particular state. Worthless. You were asked to prove there was decay even...you failed.
False. It is evidence that the former state allowed transfer of stuff in ways that the present state does not. Whoopee do. The chimp knows better than science.
It can't be proven beyond all doubt especially for someone like you... at least, not until we invent a time machine.
In the meantime, we'll continue to gather physical evidence and gain more confidence in our understanding of the past ... but, as always, with a little scientific wonderment and friendly disagreement sprinkled in.
Well, hurray for blind faith then...in man no less!Via faith in my fellow human beings who have far more knowledge in genetics than I do.
The ratios do not need refuting. You have not proven a same state past just tried to use one to explain stuff. You did not even address the issue of proving there was decay as YOU claim in the far past. Gong!You have offered nothing to refute the evidence.
Have you any reason to suggest they would not look like what we see if transfer was different?? Your 'what would a real old tooth fairy look like' type questions are intellectually insulting and dishonest.So what would a comparison of ERV's look like if they really were the result of common ancestry between humans and chimps?
Great so you admit not knowing or being able to know. Nice.
The thing is any and all actual evolving that can be shown is explained by rapid evolution in the different past that started from the created creatures.
Since you are willingly only dealing in part of the picture and information, don't blame me.
Well, hurray for blind faith then...in man no less!
So can I! So?Not with absolute certainty. But, we can make strong theories based on the evidence at hand.
Bingo. That is where they bit it.One of the underlying assumptions in science is that its laws are constant independent of time and location.
Great so you believe that an assumption is cool. Wow. That clinches it I guess.I believe that it's a very solid assumption unless there is reason to think otherwise.
So does that include scripture and the record of the apostles and Israel? Or do you mean that out of some little godless noninclusive cultish criteria, you can observe certain things?Well, at least, I can question people, study what they study, observe what they observe, test what they test, etc. ...
That is not saying a whole heck of a lot!if I'm so inclined and motivated ...and have the time. Of course, I have my own life. But, it's all right there, tangible to all who have questions and doubts.
So can I! So?
Bingo. That is where they bit it.
Great so you believe that an assumption is cool. Wow. That clinches it I guess.
So does that include scripture and the record of the apostles and Israel? Or do you mean that out of some little godless noninclusive cultish criteria, you can observe certain things?
That is not saying a whole heck of a lot!
The ancient records of scripture tell of a different past. That is reason. There is no reason from science either way.Is there a reason to assume something else?
Why ask, they wrote it down.No, because the people that wrote those scriptures are long gone. I can't ask them anything.
Then bob apetit.It does for me.
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