Evolution=Atheism

[The Son of Him]

I 'm sorry I could not help but notice that all those who claim that evolution does not equal atheism end up showing to be atheists at the end !!!!!!.

They go on supporting evolution and defending their position that evolution does not say anything about God, and when someone dares to hint that evolution is the tool by wich God brought the species to present form, they go crazy denying God!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

So not to go to apologetics here goes the question :

Why is not abiogenesis linked in anyway to evolution ??

I do not get those who claim otherwise. Evolution only speaks about living organisms yada,yada,yada. But seriously, life , and everything about it including its origin should be under the same umbrella, come on !!!.
To defend evolution alone and fearing to talk about abiogenesis is childish (for those who are atheists).

Why ??

 

[Jimmy The Hand]

I 'm sorry I could not help but notice that all those who claim that evolution does not equal atheism end up showing to be atheists at the end

Ummmmmm. Not even close.



as far as abiogenesis and evolution. Someone very wise recently said, why would I need to know how you were conceived to write your biography?

 

[Dark_Adonis]

I 'm sorry I could not help but notice that all those who claim that evolution does not equal atheism end up showing to be atheists at the end !!!!!!.

Case to the contrary I don't think you've looked too far in to this, I would edit this part of the post real quick...

Seeing your intent I would put forward a hypothesis. My hypothesis is that the number of atheists outweight the number of christians on this forum and thus we are more likely to observe atheists making this claim. In order to test this hypothesis we could do the following:
1)a) Go to the Christian-only forum and see if theistic evolutionists make
that claim.
b) Look around here to see if there are TE's that have made that claim
2) Make a poll or cite a recent poll to see the number of atheists versus the number of theists.

Anyone want to help with this experiment?

 

[Ron21647]

Ok, I'll bite. First of all, evolution does not equal atheism. And I do not think I will turn out to be an atheist at the end.

Secondly, abiogenesis is not linked to evolution because either one does not depend on the other to be true. For example, God may have created the first cell and then allowed it (or even commanded it) to evolve.

I personally think evolution (all life has evolved from a common ancestor) is on more solid ground than abiogenesis (origin of life).

Ron

 

[The Son of Him]

Ummmmmm. Not even close.



as far as abiogenesis and evolution. Someone very wise recently said, why would I need to know how you were conceived to write your biography?

So that means you don't know.

 

[Jimmy The Hand]

It means that humans can "write the biography" of evolution without knowing how it was conceived.

Metaphors. Learn them. Love them.

 

[The Son of Him]

Ok, I'll bite. First of all, evolution does not equal atheism. And I do not think I will turn out to be an atheist at the end.

Secondly, abiogenesis is not linked to evolution because either one does not depend on the other to be true. For example, God may have created the first cell and then allowed it (or even commanded it) to evolve.

I personally think evolution (all life has evolved from a common ancestor) is on more solid ground than abiogenesis (origin of life).

Ron

Exactly, I agree . I am a theistic evolutionist . But I still do not know why atheist evolutionist jump so high when you try to link evolution witn abiogenesis.

 

[Jimmy The Hand]

Because it's a linkage that is used to often for arguments of incredulity or strawmen.

Oh. And the fact that evolution could happen without abiogenesis. That's probably the most important fact. As Ron already said.

 

[The Son of Him]

It means that humans can "write the biography" of evolution without knowing how it was conceived.

Metaphors. Learn them. Love them.

So you can keep them , I want scientific answers no useless methaphors.

 

[Jimmy The Hand]

I'll take sensible metaphors over unrealistic literalism but that's just me.

If you really want scientific answers, this forum is full of them. There is a very good abiogenesis thread around here somewhere.

 

[MaddyO3]

I am a theistic evolutionist.

Therefore you are a theistic atheist, since evolution=atheism?

 

[The Son of Him]

I'll take sensible metaphors over unrealistic literalism but that's just me.

If you really want scientific answers, this forum is full of them. There is a very good abiogenesis thread around here somewhere.

I am not a literalist either.

There are excellent evolution threads and great abiogenesis threads, so why is it that atheists feel so uncomfortable when trying to link the two ??

That is my question , How else do you want me to phrase it ??

 

[Dark_Adonis]

They go on supporting evolution and defending their position that evolution does not say anything about God, and when someone dares to hint that evolution is the tool by wich God brought the species to present form, they go crazy denying God!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Like here... I really don't think you've done your homework on this thread...

So not to go to apologetics here goes the question :

Why is not abiogenesis linked in anyway to evolution ??

Oy vey. Evolution is a biological theory (At least in so far as I've seen it presented...), it assumes that life exists. abiogenesis is the creation of life from non-life. Evolution thus isn't abiogenesis. In fact evolution is still occurring today, I'm sure I've seen this around here before.

I do not get those who claim otherwise. Evolution only speaks about living organisms yada,yada,yada. But seriously, life , and everything about it including its origin should be under the same umbrella, come on !!!.

OUCH!OUCH!OUCH!
Watch this we assume that God created life, it still evolves. We assume that Iggie the magic wonder pixie makes life, it still evolves. We assume life came about from X life evolves. Quite clearly evolution is not dependent upon the origin of life.

To defend evolution alone and fearing to talk about abiogenesis is childish (for those who are atheists).

Why ??

I'm sure that some people around here have proposed methods of abiogenesis... You should really look at the hitters and the way they play before you pitch the ball...

 

[Jimmy The Hand]

Perhaps because atheist value reason above all else and linking the two is not reasonable?

 

[The Son of Him]

Therefore you are a theistic atheist, since evolution=atheism?

Maddy that is the topic I want to talk about ,that theistic evolutionists are not the first to say "evolution does not equal atheism" but the irony is that most of the time in the threads you see atheist claiming that !!!!.

 

[Arikay]

Wow, we must read a completly seperate forum. I can give you multiple atheists on the forum that have said that theistic evolution could be true. How did you come up with that nice false version of the atheists here?

No one likes abiogenesis linked with evolution because they are seperate theories and should be treated as such. Abiogenesis is a much weaker theory than evolution, so many creationists try to link them together in order to prove evolution wrong.
If you want to discuss abiogenesis, start a thread about it, but just like the big bang, it is a seperate theory.

As an atheist, I will say that if there is a god he Could have used evolution to create.

 

[Asimov]

Maddy that is the topic I want to talk about ,that theistic evolutionists are not the first to say "evolution does not equal atheism" but the irony is that most of the time in the threads you see atheist claiming that !!!!.

I don't know what forum you've been participating in, but here I haven't seen much of that.

An atheist saying that God didn't create is simply being an atheist.

 

[The Son of Him]

Perhaps because atheist value reason above all else and linking the two is not reasonable?

Now you are talking. My question is why not ? See bare with me a sec.

Is like saying that oxygen and hydrogen are not linked to the cycles of water !!.

There should be a continuity of physical laws to encompass origin of life , to the kind of life derived from that , to evolution of that life , the basic chemical , physical processes should still have a connection.

 

[The Son of Him]

Wow, we must read a completly seperate forum. I can give you multiple atheists on the forum that have said that theistic evolution could be true. How did you come up with that nice false version of the atheists here?

No one likes abiogenesis linked with evolution because they are seperate theories and should be treated as such. Abiogenesis is a much weaker theory than evolution, so many creationists try to link them together in order to prove evolution wrong.
If you want to discuss abiogenesis, start a thread about it, but just like the big bang, it is a seperate theory.

As an atheist, I will say that if there is a god he Could have used evolution to create.

I am a theistic evolutionist. But usually atheist claim "evolution does not equal atheism " first and that caught my attention.

 

[Jimmy The Hand]

Is like saying that oxygen and hydrogen are not linked to the cycles of water !!.

So off the charts that I don't even know what to say.

I can't use a metaphor apparently, so let me ask you a question, are you saying that the evolution COULD NOT happen unless there was abiogenesis?