Nathan Poe
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Only if he needs to add a new definition for "pride."
As well as many Christians -- embarassment has that effect.
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You've met your match with this KJVO --- I'll send you back to school in a hurry.
This KJVO would make Peter S Ruckman and Gail A Riplinger blush.
As I have pointed out, the parables of Jesus weren't something that He just sat and thought up.
I believe those things He talked about really happened.
Same with the book of Proverbs.
Since proverbs means pro [with] verba [words] --- Solomon isn't just making these up.
They are things he actually experienced in real life.
Link to what? The Bible --- or me saying that before?Let's assume I missed that for a reason besides lack of interest. Link, please?
And when in his real life did he encounter Latin grammar?
Link to what? The Bible --- or me saying that before?
As I have pointed out, the parables of Jesus weren't something that He just sat and thought up.
I believe those things He talked about really happened.
Just that.So AV, when Jesus said it was easier for a camel to enter through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven, what did he mean? What type of needle was he talking about?
Why make up a story, when the real thing is so much better?Even though Christ's parables could have actually happened why do you think every parable had to have actually happened?
Just that.
When the city gates were shut and locked, those outside the gates still had access through a much smaller door, made for human traffic. That door is what Jesus is referring to as "the eye of a needle".
A security guard can tell you, for instance, that when the gates are closed to freight trucks, service trucks, and contractors at night, there is a much smaller gate for employees for shift change.
Why make up a story, when the real thing is so much better?
I didn't --- it was in the footnotes.And just how far outside the Bible did you have to go -- as a matter of convenience -- for this interpretation?
Just that.
When the city gates were shut and locked, those outside the gates still had access through a much smaller door, made for human traffic. That door is what Jesus is referring to as "the eye of a needle".
A security guard can tell you, for instance, that when the gates are closed to freight trucks, service trucks, and contractors at night, there is a much smaller gate for employees for shift change.Why make up a story, when the real thing is so much better?
Just that.
When the city gates were shut and locked, those outside the gates still had access through a much smaller door, made for human traffic. That door is what Jesus is referring to as "the eye of a needle".
It's actually more likely that Jesus was referring to the thick ropes used to tie boats to the dock (camilo) than an actual camel (camelo).Actually the eye of the needle did not mean a small door in the wall, as is popularly taught. It means literally an eye of a needle. That teaching was a made up modern one with no evidence to support it.
I didn't --- it was in the footnotes.
Matthew 13 said:18"Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: 19When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path.
Would you please link me to where I said that --- thank you.Earlier you mentioned that you KNOW Jesus wasn't speaking in parables.
That's a possibility -- the words are similar in Greek and, as I understand it, the word for camel in Aramaic can also mean rope (probably made from camel's hair) -- but most scholars think that "camel" is more likely. Greek manuscripts containing kamilo instead of kamelo do exist, but they are all relatively late, suggesting that "camel" was at least the word in the original Greek text. That leaves open the possibility that the Greek word choice was based on a misunderstanding of Jesus' saying, which would have been in Aramaic, but that's pretty speculative.It's actually more likely that Jesus was referring to the thick ropes used to tie boats to the dock (camilo) than an actual camel (camelo).
This interpretation is based on no ancient evidence, and anything remotely like it was first advanced (in the suggestion that there was a particular narrow Jerusalem gate nick-named "The Eye of the Needle") in the ninth century, by someone with no direct knowledge of the Middle East (a Greek, if memory serves).When the city gates were shut and locked, those outside the gates still had access through a much smaller door, made for human traffic. That door is what Jesus is referring to as "the eye of a needle".
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