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Evolution and the Circle of Life.

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The idea that all living organisms are descended from a common ancestor is a fundamental concept in the theory of evolution, which describes how species change over time through the processes of natural selection and genetic variation. The circle of life, on the other hand, is a metaphorical concept that describes the interconnectedness of all living things in nature, as well as the cyclical nature of birth, death, and rebirth in ecosystems.

While the two concepts are related in that they both describe the interrelatedness of different living things, they are distinct from each other in terms of their scientific and metaphorical underpinnings. The idea of a common ancestor is based on empirical evidence from fields such as genetics, paleontology, and comparative anatomy, while the circle of life is a poetic or metaphorical way of understanding the complex interactions and dependencies between different organisms in ecosystems.
 
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Archetypes are universal patterns of behavior, thought, and symbols that are found across cultures and time periods. They are often associated with the work of Carl Jung, who believed that these archetypes were innate to the human psyche and served as the building blocks of the collective unconscious.

Both the theory of evolution and the concept of the circle of life can be seen as related to archetypes in that they describe universal patterns and processes that are found across different living systems. The theory of evolution, for example, describes how organisms adapt and change over time through natural selection and genetic variation, which can be seen as a kind of archetypal process of growth and transformation.

Similarly, the circle of life describes the interconnectedness of all living things in nature, as well as the cyclical nature of birth, death, and rebirth in ecosystems. This can be seen as an archetypal symbol of the eternal cycle of life and death, which has been present in human cultures for thousands of years.

In this sense, both evolution and the circle of life can be seen as expressions of archetypal patterns that are woven into the fabric of the natural world and the human psyche.
 
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What you're describing, Diamond, is demonic.

You're "circle of life" manifests itself in various ways.

During Halloween, some of the most identifiable icons are the cauldron, the black cat, with a full moon behind it, and the witch (or "old hag").

The cauldron represents birth.

The full moon represents life stages.

And the old hag represents death.

She is then stirring the cauldron, so the cycle of birth-life-death can repeat itself.

In Hinduism, Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva represent the same thing: birth-life-death.

These "icons of evil" are prevalent throughout the world.

And while they may be innocent-looking, they are, in reality, demonic.
 
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What you are saying has nothing to do with what I am saying.

That's because you're ascribing the circle of life to evolution, and I'm ascribing the circle of life to demonism.
 
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That's because you're ascribing the circle of life to evolution, and I'm ascribing the circle of life to demonism.

Now, to be perfectly honest, with that 'analogy' of yours, I think you're very much talking about of your backside on that.
 
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That's because you're ascribing the circle of life to evolution, and I'm ascribing the circle of life to demonism.
I do not know anything about the stuff you are talking about. What I am talking about is the movie The Lion King. The Circle of Life is a central theme in the movie, which refers to the idea that all living things are connected and dependent on each other for survival.

In The Lion King, the Circle of Life is represented by the various relationships between animals in the African savannah. The herbivores eat the grass, the carnivores eat the herbivores, and when they die, their bodies decompose and provide nutrients for the soil and plants, which then sustain the herbivores.

So do you want me to put you down for being anti-Disney and you think it is demonism?

The Circle of Life also teaches Simba about the importance of balance and harmony in the natural world. The film shows how disruptions to this balance, such as Scar's takeover of the Pride Lands and the destruction of the natural environment, can have negative consequences for all living things.

Ultimately, the Circle of Life teaches Simba about his role in the larger ecosystem and his responsibility to protect and preserve it for future generations. The film conveys the message that humans (or in this case, lions) are not separate from nature, but rather an integral part of it, and that it is our duty to live in harmony with the natural world.
 
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In "Pocahontas," the film explores the relationship between humans and the natural world, emphasizing the importance of understanding and respecting the interconnectedness of all living things. The film also depicts the negative consequences of human actions on the environment, such as the destruction of forests and the pollution of waterways.

Similar to "The Lion King," "Pocahontas" highlights the need for balance and harmony in the natural world. The film also stresses the idea that humans are not separate from nature, but rather a part of it, and that our actions have a profound impact on the environment and other living beings.

Overall, while the specific term "Circle of Life" is not used in "Pocahontas," the film shares similar themes and messages about the importance of respecting the natural world and understanding the interconnectedness of all living things.
 
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Nope, I'm lost on this one. This one makes no sense.
As a general rule people have to ask question so we know what information they are interested in. In this case I am talking about Disney movies. Maybe I should have made that more clear. The question is do the Disney moves have some science to back them up.
 
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As a general rule people have to ask question so we know what information they are interested in. In this case I am talking about Disney movies. Maybe I should have made that more clear. The question is do the Disney moves have some science to back them up.

... What does Disney have to do with this?!
 
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QV please: TeVil "Turmoil in the Toybox" is a book by Phil Phillips
My son played computer games. He is a computer engineer now. My niece played a lot of computer games and she has a PhD in Chemistry and works for NASA. Even she is going back to get a Master's in Business Administration.

I think we are going to need some evidence to back up your opinions.
We need to test our hypotheses to establish how valid they are.
 
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What does Disney have to do with this?!
That is where I get the term: "circle of life". Disney uses archetypes. The Hasidic approach to the Bible and archetypes is characterized by a deep reverence for the spiritual and mystical dimensions of the text, and a belief in the transformative power of its teachings. By exploring the archetypal themes and symbols of the Bible, scholars seek to deepen their understanding of the spiritual dimensions of the world and the human experience.

In general, the approach to archetypes is grounded in the belief that they can help us deepen our understanding of ourselves and others, and can help us cultivate a deeper understanding of human nature and fulfilling relationships. Most everyone accepts the Bible as having symbolic meaning. I am also trying to show the literal understanding.

Ultimately, our approach to the Bible is characterized by a complex interplay between literal and symbolic interpretation and seeks to integrate both approaches in a way that allows for a deeper understanding of the spiritual dimensions of the text.
 
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That is where I get the term: "circle of life". Disney uses archetypes. The Hasidic approach to the Bible and archetypes is characterized by a deep reverence for the spiritual and mystical dimensions of the text, and a belief in the transformative power of its teachings. By exploring the archetypal themes and symbols of the Bible, scholars seek to deepen their understanding of the spiritual dimensions of the world and the human experience.

In general, the approach to archetypes is grounded in the belief that they can help us deepen our understanding of ourselves and others, and can help us cultivate a deeper understanding of human nature and fulfilling relationships. Most everyone accepts the Bible as having symbolic meaning. I am also trying to show the literal understanding.

Ultimately, our approach to the Bible is characterized by a complex interplay between literal and symbolic interpretation and seeks to integrate both approaches in a way that allows for a deeper understanding of the spiritual dimensions of the text.

Nope, sorry, you're not making a single lick of sense at all.
 
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Nope, sorry, you're not making a single lick of sense at all.
I am mostly quoting ChatGpt, so you may want to take that up with Bill Gates.
Nope, sorry, you're not making a single lick of sense at all.
"Circle of Life" is a concept popularized by Disney's animated movie "The Lion King." The idea is that all living things are interconnected and part of a larger cycle of birth, growth, death, and rebirth.

In the movie, the character Mufasa explains to his son Simba that everything in the savannah is connected and that every living thing has a role to play in the ecosystem. When Mufasa dies, Simba eventually realizes that he must take his place in the "circle of life" and restore balance to the savannah.

The concept of the "circle of life" is rooted in many indigenous and traditional cultures, which believe that all living things are connected and part of a larger web of life. It emphasizes the importance of respecting and protecting the natural world, and recognizing the interdependence of all living beings.

Disney uses archetypes in "The Lion King" to illustrate the concept of the "circle of life" in a way that is accessible to a wide audience, including young children. The archetypes used in the movie include the wise elder (Mufasa), the young hero (Simba), and the villain (Scar), among others. These archetypes help to create a universal story that resonates with viewers and reinforces the message of the "circle of life."
 
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I am mostly quoting ChatGpt, so you may want to take that up with Bill Gates.

A tool is only as good as the person using it. And you are definitely not making a lick of sense at all.

The phrase 'circle of life' is just a poetic metaphor for life: things are born, then they die and other things are born in their place and then those things die. It's a never ending cycle of birth and death and birth and death.

It really has nothing to do with evolution at all.
 
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"Circle of Life" is a phrase from the Disney movie "The Lion King" that means everything in nature is connected. It's like a big circle where everything has a place and a job to do. Just like you have a family and friends who are important to you, animals and plants have their own families and friends that are important to them. We should take care of nature and respect all living things because we are all connected in the big "circle of life."

"Circle of Life" is a way to talk about how everything in nature is connected, like a big family. Just like you have people you love and take care of, animals and plants have their own families and friends they love and take care of too. We should be nice to nature and all living things because we are all part of this big family and we need each other to live and be happy.

"Circle of Life" is a way to talk about how everything in nature is connected. You know how you have people you love and take care of, like mommy, daddy, grandma, and grandpa? Well, animals and plants have their own families and friends they love and take care of too, like lions, elephants, and trees. We should be kind to nature and all living things because we are all part of this big family and we need each other to be happy and healthy.

We can say that evolution is how animals and plants change and become different over a long time. It's like how you grow and change as you get older. In a biodiverse ecosystem, which means a place where many different animals and plants live together, everything is connected like a big family. Some animals and plants eat other animals and plants to survive, but they all have an important job to do in the ecosystem. We need to take care of nature and all living things because they are part of our big family and we all need each other to be happy and healthy.
 
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I am mostly quoting ChatGpt, so you may want to take that up with Bill Gates.

"Circle of Life" is a concept popularized by Disney's animated movie "The Lion King." The idea is that all living things are interconnected and part of a larger cycle of birth, growth, death, and rebirth.

In the movie, the character Mufasa explains to his son Simba that everything in the savannah is connected and that every living thing has a role to play in the ecosystem. When Mufasa dies, Simba eventually realizes that he must take his place in the "circle of life" and restore balance to the savannah.

The concept of the "circle of life" is rooted in many indigenous and traditional cultures, which believe that all living things are connected and part of a larger web of life. It emphasizes the importance of respecting and protecting the natural world, and recognizing the interdependence of all living beings.

Disney uses archetypes in "The Lion King" to illustrate the concept of the "circle of life" in a way that is accessible to a wide audience, including young children. The archetypes used in the movie include the wise elder (Mufasa), the young hero (Simba), and the villain (Scar), among others. These archetypes help to create a universal story that resonates with viewers and reinforces the message of the "circle of life."
I think your descriptions such as in this post and posts 1 and 2 above for example are accurate and well written. I notice you are not trying to proselytize a competing religion of the 'circle of life' for example (which of course doing so would break a site rule of CF, and get removed I expect), but instead you are giving a description of that belief/idea.

Like as if someone gave a clinical description of Islam, laying out it's key beliefs and attitudes, without endorsing them, nor trying to get anyone to convert to Islam.

It would be a service, in that I think for instance I have only a very partial knowledge of Islam, certainly more than nothing, and with one or two insights, but far less than I could get. So, for example, if I wanted to try to help those caught up in Islam to learn about Christ, it would be best and needed that I learn more about Islam, just like Paul in Athens in Acts 17 went around Athens for a while just studying the culture and beliefs, so as to better be able to communicate with Athenians.

So, it's a service to others to give a good and accurate description of belief systems that are around, to help us better learn how to talk with the occasional person to whom that belief is not merely a decorative thing, but instead has become for them their replacement/substitute for God, depriving them of a chance at what is better.

Of course, very few people, perhaps far less than 1%, will watch the Lion King and then make it into a religion. :) Those that do are perhaps like people that watch a movie with shooting, and then it helps them make guns and shooting into a religion -- people can indeed make a religion out of almost anything, even trees in and of themselves, without any other reference, just trees. I think I was with a person once long ago for a minute (I got around to explore many things back then) for whom having a ceremony at a tree was a thing, because it was a tree. It was some kind of nature belief thing it seems like.
 
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Similar to "The Lion King," "Pocahontas" highlights the need for balance and harmony in the natural world. The film also stresses the idea that humans are not separate from nature, but rather a part of it, and that our actions have a profound impact on the environment and other living beings.

Part of the problem with these "allegories" (or whatever they are) is that you are assuming that we've seen a couple kids movies.

I look forward (not) to your post based on "Jurassic Park". At least I've seen 30 minutes of that.
 
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