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I am more an environment kinda guy (that sexuall orientation is more free will and environment), although if you watch some rodents, they will try to mate with either gender (watch siberian dwarf hamsters). I have never seen any publications that link homosexuality to a gene or protein. I checked PubMed, and I didn't see anything there. If someone can find references to the "gay gene" I would be glad to look at it.Bushido216 said:I knew it was an extra chromosome, I just wasn't sure how to express it.
My question is though, is my point still valid? Could homosexuality be constantly recurring for the same reason that other errors in reproduction constantly occur?
Good question. And one, of course, that people have asked. When you have a question like this, your first stop should always be PubMed.ps139 said:Before writing my question, I want to make it clear that this thread is not the place to argue about the moral implications of homosexuality. There is a place for discussion of that in the S&C forums.
How does evolution explain homosexual orientations. I do not understand because someone born with a homosexual orientation is not a benefit to the species in the sense that the chances of reproduction are so slim. Basically, my point is, if there is a homosexual gene or something of that sort, wouldn't it be recessive, and would it not have been naturally selected against?
This is possible. But it doesn't appear to be the sole reason homosexuality has stayed in the population.Also, one may argue that in past times, when homosexuals were "in the closet" they often married and had children with women to seem socially acceptable. If this cultural reason is the sole reason that homosexuality can be passed on, would you say that now, when homosexuals are in open relationships with each other, the chance of passing along the gene would be lessened, and we could expect to see many homosexuals now, but the more and more they live together and do not procreate, the rarer people will be who are born homosexual?
Bad search:pureone said:I am more an environment kinda guy (that sexuall orientation is more free will and environment), although if you watch some rodents, they will try to mate with either gender (watch siberian dwarf hamsters). I have never seen any publications that link homosexuality to a gene or protein. I checked PubMed, and I didn't see anything there. If someone can find references to the "gay gene" I would be glad to look at it.
The questions of homosexuality are more in the range of psychology and understanding of humans in general.
revolutio said:I don't really know why homosexuality would appear. Bisexuality has obvious perks in that something doesn't need to rely solely on the opposite sex for sexual gratification.
If have heard it suggested that it might be a genetic response to overpopulation. Though I wouldn't have the foggiest how that would work since overpopulation is a concept humans came up with and not really something genes alone could recognize.
In humans, no. They simply have a linkage to a chromosome. In the fruit flies, they do have a specific gene: the Fru gene. That abstract is in my list.pureone said:Lucaspa, do they list the specific genes? No, I just looked it up and cannot get the full text.
I was unaware of this work, BTW, but there are many things I am unaware of.
yeah, sometimes I don't know what to put in the window and come up with unrelated things...
LewisWildermuth said:It would only be bred out if it was a large disadvantage, but since the human (and other animal species) populations are not seriously hampered by a few homosexuals there is no pressure to remove it.
Bushido216 said:I knew it was an extra chromosome, I just wasn't sure how to express it.
My question is though, is my point still valid? Could homosexuality be constantly recurring for the same reason that other errors in reproduction constantly occur?
Just to clarify I was referring to advantageous in a purely hedonistic sense not in terms of survival nor reproduction.fragmentsofdreams said:If bisexuality was advatageous, it is likely that the genes for bisexuality might cause homosexuality if one person had all of them.
What are the advantages to hedonism?revolutio said:Just to clarify I was referring to advantageous in a purely hedonistic sense not in terms of survival nor reproduction.
Originally posted by : PS 139
Evolution and Homosexuality
How does evolution explain homosexual orientations. I do not understand because someone born with a homosexual orientation is not a benefit to the species in the sense that the chances of reproduction are so slim. Basically, my point is, if there is a homosexual gene or something of that sort, wouldn't it be recessive, and would it not have been naturally selected against?
Also, one may argue that in past times, when homosexuals were "in the closet" they often married and had children with women to seem socially acceptable. If this cultural reason is the sole reason that homosexuality can be passed on, would you say that now, when homosexuals are in open relationships with each other, the chance of passing along the gene would be lessened, and we could expect to see many homosexuals now, but the more and more they live together and do not procreate, the rarer people will be who are born homosexual?
Lewis is mistaken. Even alleles that are slightly disadvantageous will be removed by natural selection. Of course, in a large population this takes time if the selection coefficient is small (not very disadvantageous). Therefore we may still be in the period where the alleles are being removed.fragmentsofdreams said:It is my understanding that homosexuality is too common for a gene to survive without a benefit. A population with five percent of its people not reproducing would be at a disadvantage to a population with everyone reproducing unless that five percent made up for their lack of reproduction in other ways.
Volos said:However in tribes where Shamans are not passed on in families or are taught these tribes do not use psychedelics or mind altering drugs to obtain similar ecstatic states. In the tribes selecting and training their shamans those selected and able to achieve ecstatic states are homosexuals. It may be the benefit you are not seeing in being gay has to do with the spiritual benefits.
The fact that such genes controlling homosexuality are recessive is pretty obvious. When homosexuals reproduce biologically there children have no more or less chance of being homosexual.
The advantages of Hedonism are well documented in the Bonobo Ape Culture.Arnold_Philips said:What are the advantages to hedonism?
Thanks. Just wondering.ReUsAbLePhEoNiX said:The advantages of Hedonism are well documented in the Bonobo Ape Culture.
Non violent
non agressive
peaceful
female dominated
they even share food with each other!
And boy are they ever hedonistic! There is even a grassroots world peace organization that advocates social change towards the "bonobo Way"! I cannot post link cause it would breaK rules, but here is a info on Bonobo Apes
http://songweaver.com/info/bonobos.html
Male/Female isn't controlled by chemicals in the womb, but by the chromosomes that you have.Osiris said:Do you guys think that it has anything to do with birth?
I mean, at one point we were all females, but while inside the womb, we are subjected to chemicals which determine what we later become, if we stay females or become males.
Maybe unbalances of these chemicals could result in homosexuality.
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