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Evolution and Abortion

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Evolution and Abortion
If you believe in Evolution and you understand its fundament principals then you may know that the instinct to reproduce is a driving force in Evolution. In Evolution the instinct to reproduce may be greater then any other instinct. Jerome Lejeune, a professor of fundamental genetics in Paris and a pioneer in detecting chromosomal diseases, said to a Senate committee: "Life has a very, very long history but each individual has a very neat beginning, the moment of its conception. When the 23 chromosomes from the father and the 23 chromosomes from the mother are combined at conception, that cell now represents an entirely new individual and is not just a part of the mother's body. Sixty prominent physicians recently presented a declaration of biological facts proving that a child in the womb is conclusively a living human being. These doctors include Drs. Hofmeister and Schmidt, past presidents of the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology; Dr. Joseph Faley, past president of the American Academy of Neurology; and Dr. Bernard Nathanson, formerly one of the leading abortionists in America. These doctors stated: "The developing foetus is human, with human genetic composition. As clearly demonstrated by in vitro (dish) fertilization, so also in vivo (womb), the embryo is alive, human, and unique in the special environmental support required for that stage of human development. Is Abortion just a result of forty years of psychological conditioning? The scientific and medical community agree about the foetus being human life, all agreeing that life begins at conception. And if you believe that humans are a product of Evolution then maybe you can try and explain why woman kill there own babies. All intelligent people understand that Abortion is murder .Abortion is in direct contradiction to the Evolutionary instinct to reproduce. Evolution is concerned with the idea of building for future generations. As a professor at Emory University summarized, unbridled self-indulgence on the part of one generation without regard to a future generation, is to be regarded as irrational behaviour in terms of biological evolution. This premise arose from a scientific idea that one could determine evolutionary history by studying the development of the foetus. Are women who have Abortions just mentally ill? For example, human life begins with a single cell and then multiplies in complexity. During one stage, the human foetus has so-called "gill slits" that seem to represent the "fish stage" in human development. Next, the foetus seems to have a tail segment similar to reptiles, and the yolk sac seems similar to bird evolution. Thus, the development of the foetus has appeared to some scientists as a mere reflection of how humans supposedly developed from lower animal forms. This idea was widely taught even at the beginning of this decade. Even though this evolutionary idea of foetal development has been scientifically disproved, the notion still seems to prevail. A closer examination of this premise reveals scientific error, however. The "gill slits," or pharyngeal pouches, actually become the thymus gland, the parathyroid, and the middle ear canals. The "tail", or coccyx, is a point of muscle attachment at the tailbone, and the yolk sac produces the first blood cells. All of these morphological phenomena are necessary stages in normal human development. The abortionists' justification for the termination of human life has been completely invalidated by scientific evidence. Evolution is concerned with the idea of future generations. As John Wilke has stated, "In truth we did not come from a single cell. Rather, each of us once was a single cell; and all we have done since then has been growing.
 

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“Pro-life, Pro-Choice? Can’t we just ditch the euphemisms.
I’m not pro-choice, I just hate people and it’s a lot easier to kill them when they’re foetuses!

Oops. The mask slipped for a moment there folks. Sorry.”

-Bill Hicks

‘kay not much to do with the thread title, but then again neither is the OP.

Sixty prominent physicians recently presented a declaration of biological facts proving that a child in the womb is conclusively a living human being.

I await, with excitation, that citation, if you please.

In the meantime I’m pretty darn sure the answer to both questions in that trainwreck OP is “No”.


Is Abortion a result of forty years of psychological conditioning?

No


Are women who have Abortions just mentally ill?

No
(but nice sneaky use of the word “just” there)
 
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Adriac said:
Am I the only one who thinks the use of the word "abortionist", in and of itself, involves a hateful misrepresentation?

No, you're not...at least until we start calling doctors "CAT-scan-ists" or "vaccinists" and labelling them depending on what medical procedure they are doing at that very moment.
Now if you'll excuse me, it's time for me to go see my "Ear-examinist"
 
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indigo10 said:
The scientific and medical community agree about the foetus being human life, all agreeing that life begins at conception.

HAHAHAHAHA
tell me another one

As John Wilke has stated, "In truth we did not come from a single cell. Rather, each of us once was a single cell; and all we have done since then has been to growing.

apparently Wilke needs to take a grammar class or twoing
 
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indigo10 said:
Evolution and Abortion
If you believe in Evolution and you understand its fundament principals then you may know that the instinct to reproduce is a driving force in Evolution. In Evolution the instinct to reproduce may be greater then any other instinct. Jerome Lejeune, a professor of fundamental genetics in Paris and a pioneer in detecting chromosomal diseases, said to a Senate committee: "Life has a very, very long history but each individual has a very neat beginning, the moment of its conception. When the 23 chromosomes from the father and the 23 chromosomes from the mother are combined at conception, that cell now represents an entirely new individual and is not just a part of the mother's body. Sixty prominent physicians recently presented a declaration of biological facts proving that a child in the womb is conclusively a living human being. These doctors include Drs. Hofmeister and Schmidt, past presidents of the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology; Dr. Joseph Faley, past president of the American Academy of Neurology; and Dr. Bernard Nathanson, formerly one of the leading abortionists in America. These doctors stated: "The developing foetus is human, with human genetic composition. As clearly demonstrated by in vitro (dish) fertilization, so also in vivo (womb), the embryo is alive, human, and unique in the special environmental support required for that stage of human development. Is Abortion just a result of forty years of psychological conditioning? The scientific and medical community agree about the foetus being human life, all agreeing that life begins at conception. And if you believe that humans are a product of Evolution then maybe you can try and explain why woman kill there own babies. All intelligent people understand that Abortion is murder .Abortion is in direct contradiction to the Evolutionary instinct to reproduce. Evolution is concerned with the idea of building for future generations. As a professor at Emory University summarized, unbridled self-indulgence on the part of one generation without regard to a future generation, is to be regarded as irrational behaviour in terms of biological evolution. This premise arose from a scientific idea that one could determine evolutionary history by studying the development of the foetus. Are women who have Abortions just mentally ill? For example, human life begins with a single cell and then multiplies in complexity. During one stage, the human foetus has so-called "gill slits" that seem to represent the "fish stage" in human development. Next, the foetus seems to have a tail segment similar to reptiles, and the yolk sac seems similar to bird evolution. Thus, the development of the foetus has appeared to some scientists as a mere reflection of how humans supposedly developed from lower animal forms. This idea was widely taught even at the beginning of this decade. Even though this evolutionary idea of foetal development has been scientifically disproved, the notion still seems to prevail. A closer examination of this premise reveals scientific error, however. The "gill slits," or pharyngeal pouches, actually become the thymus gland, the parathyroid, and the middle ear canals. The "tail", or coccyx, is a point of muscle attachment at the tailbone, and the yolk sac produces the first blood cells. All of these morphological phenomena are necessary stages in normal human development. The abortionists' justification for the termination of human life has been completely invalidated by scientific evidence. Evolution is concerned with the idea of future generations. As John Wilke has stated, "In truth we did not come from a single cell. Rather, each of us once was a single cell; and all we have done since then has been growing.


Do you believe in Evolution or not?
 
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indigo10 said:
Do you believe in Evolution or not?

Since you quoted yourself, I think only you can answer that question...

But if you are asking if you believe in evolution as you quasi reference in your OP, I would hope not, as that version doesn't appear very similar to the scientifically accepted definition.
 
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Vegas said:
I am thrilled with the idea that within one or two generations the educated and advanced societies will have aborted themselves into nothingness and the poor and starving around the world will over run the world. Talk about the meek inheriting the Earth.

Maybe we'll finally be able to feed them.
 
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Vegas said:
Are you kidding? Starving people are reproducing faster than anyone! Who is the we?

We who are currently using way more than our fair share of the world's resources.

But it's nice to see you got the second half worked out all by yourself.
 
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indigo10 said:
Do you believe in Evolution or not?
SIGH! I wonder how many times we have to clarify this? Evolution is about the data, not about belief. If you "believe" in evolution, then you haven't learned it. It is like asking if we "believe" in a hammer. It6 is not about belief, it is about observable facts.
 
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steen said:
SIGH! I wonder how many times we have to clarify this? Evolution is about the data, not about belief. If you "believe" in evolution, then you haven't learned it. It is like asking if we "believe" in a hammer. It is not about belief, it is about observable facts.

There is the little variable about breadth and extent to which evolution claims to explain species variation and origin. One can believe either it explains ALL or that it may only explain some. Is there truly an objective sense of "fit" in nature or is it merely chance? I don't think the argument from "non-believers" is: "are there changes?", but rather is it random, ordered, predictable, useful, universal or is it merely hindsight?"

Like your hammer, we all know it is there... but what the heck is it really for? Is it worth the trouble to use it? Can I afford the risk of having heavy objects in the hands of people who aren't like me? Wouldn't a bigger one be better? Or smaller? One with a claw or without? Magnetized? Is it for pounding nails or Olympic throwing events? Is "hammer" really the name we want to call it?

I guess my point is there is belief/faith required in both camps...
 
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