Evilution VS Evolution

[PsychoSarah]

So are you suggesting that the theory of evolution is bogus and does not work? Just how is it that natural selection would select something that is "backwards"?

Natural processes are not perfect. What is naturally selected for is whatever reproduces the most successfully. If in a population, non-backwards eye parts end up being linked genes with something that decreases reproductive success significantly, it won't be selected for. Not that eyes that are not backwards are nonexistent in the animal kingdom.

 

[TLK Valentine]

You should know.

Now, now -- getting snippy isn't going to fool anyone into forgetting you have no rebuttal, no argument, no response, and no point.

Either address what's been said or take a seat.

 

[Loudmouth]

My point exactly...

The alternative is the cephalopod eye which has a forward facing retina.

 

[Papias]

Don't you have a job and debt to the bank?

"Slavery" has negative associations because man has been an animal towards his fellow man and trading and treating slaves like they're animals.
God does not think that's okay.

Have you not read your Bible?

Slavery - owning people as property - is condoned from Genesis to Revelation, listed in commandments 3(4) and 9(10), and supported by Jesus himself. God specifies that black people (Cushites) are to be slaves when he institutes slavery in Genesis 9.

Yes, Hebrew slaves were treated "better" - there were two parallel sets of laws for Hebrew and non-Hebrew slaves (like Jim Crow laws).

Non-Hebrew slaves were treated like, well, slaves.

For instance, God tells us that we are free to beat our slaves bloody, as much as we want, as long as they survive for at least a day afterward. Ex 21:21-

“Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

Jesus himself talks about beating slaves, without any hint of disapproval, such as in Luke 12.

This is why slavery flourished while Christianity ruled the world for 1500 years, and was only opposed after enlightenment ideas that opposed scripture took hold in the 1700s.

It's true that slavery is wrong - but that fact does not give us liberty to re-write our scriptures or our history to change what we don't like.

In Christ-

Papias

 

[joshua 1 9]

Natural processes are not perfect. What is naturally selected for is whatever reproduces the most successfully. If in a population, non-backwards eye parts end up being linked genes with something that decreases reproductive success significantly, it won't be selected for. Not that eyes that are not backwards are nonexistent in the animal kingdom.

According to Wiki the worlds population of atheists is 14% and there are 32% Christians. So Christianity must be more successful according to your theory.

 

[PsychoSarah]

According to Wiki the worlds population of atheists is 14% and there are 32% Christians. So Christianity must be more successful according to your theory.

As an idea, sure, but religion isn't genetic, so it isn't influenced by evolution. Ideologies and theological perspectives are not inherited.

 

[Hoghead1]

There actually is no "slavery" in the Bible because they were considered to be bond servants. A countryman could only serve for 7 years. A foreigner could serve for 49 years. This is what the Jubilee is all about. The Jubilee was every 7 years and the Golden Jubilee was every 49 years. So a contract or what a person was worth was based on when the next Jubilee was. This is an object lesson and represents bondage to sin. Only the Blood of Jesus can set us free. Today it is very common for people to sign two year contracts. Hong Kong, Malaysia, Singapore for example have two year contracts. They call them contract laborers. IN China they have a national holiday one week out of the year. There are up to 20% of the work force that does not return to their job after the holiday. They usually find a different job somewhere else. Often in a different line of work.

indentured servant definition. A person under contract to work for another person for a definite period of time, usually without pay but in exchange for free passage to a new country. During the seventeenth century most of the white laborers in Maryland and Virginia came from England as indentured servants.

Nuts. Slavery is slavery. Indentured servitude is slavery.

 

[Hieronymus]

Now, now -- getting snippy isn't going to fool anyone into forgetting you have no rebuttal, no argument, no response, and no point.

Neither do you, so...

 

[Hoghead1]

Right, but when you don't work, you will eventually loose your house.That's not a prescription.

The "better off" have always employed the less well off.
Working to make and sustain a living.
You can do this the right way or the wrong way as a 'boss' or as an employee.

When the Bible speaks of slavery it does not refer to or condone chained people in cages treated like disposable animals.

From what the Bible says, you can do anything, beat them as hard as you want, just don't kill them.

 

[bhsmte]

My point exactly...

And what exactly is the specific point you have claimed to have made?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Nuts. Slavery is slavery. Indentured servitude is slavery.

Not really, there is a big difference. The civil war was not fought over indentured servants. 460,000 people died in that war to put an end to slavery. Today contract workers sign a contract for two years. It is not 7 years the way it use to be when people were sold to pay for their travel over to this country. Back when they would trade servants for tabacco.

 

[joshua 1 9]

From what the Bible says, you can do anything, beat them as hard as you want, just don't kill them.

Is that the way you treat your property? "The righteous care for the needs of their animals," Are you suggesting that the Bible teaches we are to take good care of animals but we do not need to take good care of our servants?

 

[joshua 1 9]

As an idea, sure, but religion isn't genetic, so it isn't influenced by evolution.

At the time of Darwin they studied Science and the Bible. There are still people that do that today. For many of the mainline denominations you need a college degree to get into Seminary.

 

[Hoghead1]

Not really, there is a big difference. The civil war was not fought over indentured servants. 460,000 people died in that war to put an end to slavery. Today contract workers sign a contract for two years. It is not 7 years the way it use to be when people were sold to pay for their travel over to this country. Back when they would trade servants for tabacco.

Oh, c'mon. That's stupid and silly. That's why indentured servitude is ruled illegal.

 

[Hoghead1]

Is that the way you treat your property? "The righteous care for the needs of their animals," Are you suggesting that the Bible teaches we are to take good care of animals but we do not need to take good care of our servants?

OH, geeze, I forgo t. Yes there is a big difference. Slaves get beater for life. Indentured servants only have to take it for a few years, provided, of course, they manage to earn enough money to buy their freedom, which often they couldn't. Also, slaves could be freed after seven years. If you think indentured servitude isn't like slavery, then you should check out the Peasant's War that happened at the time of Luther. The peasants were technically not slaves, but treated actually worse than some slaves.

 

[Hoghead1]

Is that the way you treat your property? "The righteous care for the needs of their animals," Are you suggesting that the Bible teaches we are to take good care of animals but we do not need to take good care of our servants?

Yes, the OT sanctifies slavery, which is not exactly taking good care of people. Well, go ahead and beat them, but just don't kill them. That's good care?

 

[Hoghead1]

At the time of Darwin they studied Science and the Bible. There are still people that do that today. For many of the mainline denominations you need a college degree to get into Seminary.

Actually, Darwin would have become a country pastor, had he not gone on the Beagle. He was actually an ordained Anglican clergyman. People often forget that.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Yes, the OT sanctifies slavery, which is not exactly taking good care of people. Well, go ahead and beat them, but just don't kill them. That's good care?

That is not what the Bible says. You really need to be careful how you represent the God of the Bible. We are told that we are not to "oppress one another". That means we are not to do wrong to one another. In my case I was actually a CEO in that I did not want to work for other people so I ran my own business. I find that even today there is some degree of oppression when your work for people that is not acceptable to me. So if you think that the Bible says it is ok not to treat people right, then you do not understand the message that God has for us in the Written Word of God. His message is one of love, mercy, grace and forgiveness.

25:13 In the year of this jubile ye shall return every man unto his possession.
25:14 And if thou sell ought unto thy neighbour, or buyest ought of thy neighbour's hand, ye shall not oppress one another:

 

[joshua 1 9]

OH, geeze, I forgo t. Yes there is a big difference. Slaves get beater for life. Indentured servants only have to take it for a few years, provided, of course, they manage to earn enough money to buy their freedom, which often they couldn't. Also, slaves could be freed after seven years. If you think indentured servitude isn't like slavery, then you should check out the Peasant's War that happened at the time of Luther. The peasants were technically not slaves, but treated actually worse than some slaves.

I have known many people that were contract workers in Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, and other countries. The problem in American is that we get an idea of slavery from what was going on in the South and that is preventing people from understanding what was going on.

The Indians here in American use to take slaves usually as children. There were times when the slaves were given their freedom and they did not want to go out. Because they had heard very scary stores about the white people and they were afraid of them. Often they ended up as scouts and they were not really white and not really Indian and they did not really fit in anywhere. So it was difficult for them to get a job.

 

[Chris B]

Scientists -- still fighting the Civil War.

"The War of Northern Aggression"?