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Hier, I don't appreciate it when someone blows me off by directing me to some online site. I don't have the time to go online. I want to hear from you, your views, not some site online. When people blow me off this way, I get suspicious they really don't understand it and can't explain it in their own words.
US is right, Hier. That person you recommend has absolutely no education in science and no qualifications that would enable him to make such judgments. Those of us in the field are interested in lay opinions such as he has, but we are not about to take them seriously. We'd be crazy to turn our work over to every Tom, Dick, and Harry who wants to play bar-stool quarterback with science, biblical studies, religion, etc.
Of course, the ad hominem argumentation.
He just made a short documentary.
You don't need a PhD to make a documentary.
A documentary documents documentation.
No, you are quite wrong. What was presented was NOT an ad hominem fallacy. The comments went to the man's qualifications, not his character.
It is quite acceptable, indeed required, that the expertise of one proposing claims be established before accepting those claims.
Of course, the ad hominem argumentation.
Yes i did.
Would it change anything if i linked to pictures and commented on it or cut / paste quotes from sources?
I guess i should do that more often, but nothing beats a documentary or lecture on video.
Ask yourself why do they bother coming here to post?
Don't they have anything better to do with their life?
Because creationist thinking is dangerous to everyone including creationists, if it was not it would be left alone just as the Amish religion is left alone, creationism advocates ignorance as a virtue.Ask yourself why do they bother coming here to post?
When what people think and do verges on the crazy it's in everyone's interest to fight against it.Don't they have anything better to do with their life?
Good grief, where do you get these ideas. Inquisitive people (Christian, atheists Muslims etc) look at the world about them and formulate ideas about what they observe, these ideas can help us in improving many physical aspects of our lives.
Why is that evil?
When what people think and do verges on the crazy it's in everyone's interest to fight against it.
I hear you, Endtimes. But the issue is what do you mean by diminishing the creator's role.
OK, Endtime, fine. But what does this have to do with evolution?
Hi Jimmy. I don't think any person, christian or atheist, would consider "formulating ideas" to be evil. I think the contention (from the Christian perspective) comes when the formulated ideas lead toward denying or disproving the creator. It makes sense, from the Christian perspective, that if there really is a creator, then denying it's existence would be offensive (i.e. evil?) to the creator.
From both the atheist and Christian perspective there is plenty of evidence, though in my experience the issue has never been about evidence (or lack of it) rather how we interpret the evidence. There are lots of examples of religious people throughout history twisting and abusing their interpretations for personal benefit, but then again there are plenty of examples of people in general (including scientists) who do the same.
That alone should tell people just how true it all is and why they can't place much store by it, if I told you that someone told me that they had heard a story from someone else who said that they had heard someone say that they had been told on good authority that so an so was true, would you need to be a genius to realise that's it's quite possible that the story was not 100% true? on top of that could you be 100% sure that you would repeat the same story 50 years later in exactly same way using the exact same words as it was told to you?It seems to me that rather than threatening anyone's faith in God the only thing that science challenges (and I include biology, geology, cosmology, paleontolgy etc etc) is a rather strange view that everything written in Old Testament has to be interpreted literally, word for word. We can't even be sure that that's what the original authors intended, as the stories were passed down verbally for many generations before anyone made a record of them.
The Bible is not God, you may believe it was inspired by God but it was written, copied and translated by fallible men.
If observations and facts we can verify for ourselves (and we can, there is no conspiracy), with a little education, conflict with an interpretation of an ambiguous ancient text is it not sensible to be open to the fact that there's a possibility that that interpretation may not be correct?
on good authority
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