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As a working definition, evil is the will to intentional badness. You can't be an evil person without consciously and intentionally willing something bad upon someone else. There is also no such thing as an intrinsically or objectively bad thing or event; something is only evil by intentionality, by subjectivity. Another distinction should be made between an evil person and evil actions: the former is a person whose intentionality has become such that he constantly wills badness on others, whereas anyone can commit evil actions intermittently.

What causes someone to be evil? We often speak about this like people choose evil just for the heck of it, or are evil because they differ ideologically or culturally than us. But I think what motivates evil is accumulated perceived injustices in a person's life which the person displaces onto others in a decontextualized way. "The world screwed me over, and so I'll screw the world over back," is the motto for evil. One commits evil as a way of punishing others for the unfairness that the self perceives has been done to it, not just from the particular other but also additional instances of injustice done by others as well. Evil often involves overpaying the other person in badness given this displacement, and this is one of the big problems of evil: it repays too much badness on a single person at any given time. Hence, perhaps, the "blindness" involved with evil. Think about the people who grow up in bad homes or neighborhoods. They're much more likely to commit evil actions because they've had more accumulated injustices thrown their way.

Another way of saying this is that evil would be impossible without a standard of justice. If this is true, then all evil has an element of goodness in it, and in a real sense goodness is a main ingredient in motivating evil. This goodness (justice) is twisted or misapplied, but still, without a sense of justice there could be no evil.
 
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As a working definition, evil is the will to intentional badness. You can't be an evil person without consciously and intentionally willing something bad upon someone else. There is also no such thing as an intrinsically or objectively bad thing or event; something is only evil by intentionality, by subjectivity. Another distinction should be made between an evil person and evil actions: the former is a person whose intentionality has become such that he constantly wills badness on others, whereas anyone can commit evil actions intermittently.

What causes someone to be evil? We often speak about this like people choose evil just for the heck of it, or are evil because they differ ideologically or culturally than us. But I think what motivates evil is accumulated perceived injustices in a person's life which the person displaces onto others in a decontextualized way. "The world screwed me over, and so I'll screw the world over back," is the motto for evil. One commits evil as a way of punishing others for the unfairness that the self perceives has been done to it, not just from the particular other but also additional instances of injustice done by others as well. Evil often involves overpaying the other person in badness given this displacement, and this is one of the big problems of evil: it repays too much badness on a single person at any given time. Hence, perhaps, the "blindness" involved with evil. Think about the people who grow up in bad homes or neighborhoods. They're much more likely to commit evil actions because they've had more accumulated injustices thrown their way.

Another way of saying this is that evil would be impossible without a standard of justice. If this is true, then all evil has an element of goodness in it, and in a real sense goodness is a main ingredient in motivating evil. This goodness (justice) is twisted or misapplied, but still, without a sense of justice there could be no evil.

I can buy that.
 
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As a working definition, evil is the will to intentional badness. You can't be an evil person without consciously and intentionally willing something bad upon someone else. There is also no such thing as an intrinsically or objectively bad thing or event; something is only evil by intentionality, by subjectivity..

Evil is the absence of intention, but it's the absence of the will to act within the will of God. It naturally follows that evil is an objective notion as God's will is absolute. There is an absolute standard.
 
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Evil is the absence of intention, but it's the absence of the will to act within the will of God. It naturally follows that evil is an objective notion as God's will is absolute. There is an absolute standard.

Then present that absolute standard.
 
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As a working definition, evil is the will to intentional badness. You can't be an evil person without consciously and intentionally willing something bad upon someone else. There is also no such thing as an intrinsically or objectively bad thing or event; something is only evil by intentionality, by subjectivity. Another distinction should be made between an evil person and evil actions: the former is a person whose intentionality has become such that he constantly wills badness on others, whereas anyone can commit evil actions intermittently.

Your definition is incorrect.

Much intentional harm is done by people who are convinced they are in the right.

The rest of your analysis is polluted by this definitional problem.

If you remove the self righteous yet deluded from among the ranks of the evil you oversimplify the issue in a very inappropriate way.

Evil is the absence of intention, but it's the absence of the will to act within the will of God. It naturally follows that evil is an objective notion as God's will is absolute. There is an absolute standard.

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This person believes in an absolute standard delivered by God too.
 
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This person believes in an absolute standard delivered by God too.
So what is your point? Your picture and your statement do nothing to discount the existence of an absolute standard of morality rooted in the God of Christianity.

In fact, your willingness to condemn what they do as wrong belies your agreement that there is an absolute set of moral standards.
 
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In fact, your willingness to condemn what they do as wrong belies your agreement that there is an absolute set of moral standards.

Not really. Maybe the standard used 1. wasn't moral in nature to begin with. 2. Was based on an a subjective moral standard being used by the condemner. 3. Was based on an inter-subjective standard. 3. Was an expression of emotion.... etc... lots of different possibilities that wouldn't include agreeing with your specific theory of morality.
 
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So what is your point? Your picture and your statement do nothing to discount the existence of an absolute standard of morality rooted in the God of Christianity.

Present me your God, and let him speak to what the absolute standard is and I will pay attention.

Otherwise don't bother me with your faf.

In fact, your willingness to condemn what they do as wrong belies your agreement that there is an absolute set of moral standards.

If there are absolute standards why are there so many people convinced that the standards are so different?

You are incorrect that we are in agreement on this point merely by my picking a point of agreement between us to illustrate the point of broad disagreements of morality and the nature of this "God" you speak of.

That would be a non-sequitur. I can point out a thousand points where we agree that others are wrong and that would not mean I believe in an absolute God given standard.

Does my distaste for this man:

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Who, again believed he was doing what God wanted...

mean I believe your God exists or that morality is an absolute that comes from it?

No. :shrug:
 
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In the Christian world, 'evil' is rejecting the will - the plan, the commands, the goals - of God.

Sarah (by the way, I think you should call yourself 'Psycho Psarah', it just has a 'ring' to it) asks to be presented God's absolute standard. It is found in the Bible, and presents as a total understanding, not just one rather odd statement here or there. I cannot present it here and now, as it is both too complicated for definition and too simple to be missed.

The simple version is, meet God on His terms and pay attention to what He says. If one is not willing to do that, one doesn't really care about the absolute standard. I'm not trying to be belligerent about it, but that's the way it works. Sort of like learning to play the piano; one either studies and practices, or one listens to someone else. There is no 'instant' piano ability. (Which I regret, by the way.)

Ana Ist; you are correct in a limited sort of way. Evil derives from 'desire' to please one's self. Good derives from 'desire' to please God.

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This person believes in an absolute standard delivered by God too.
Variant, that statement is an outright lie. If you are not aware that is a lie, I really feel sorry for you.
 
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Not really. Maybe the standard used 1. wasn't moral in nature to begin with. 2. Was based on an a subjective moral standard being used by the condemner. 3. Was based on an inter-subjective standard. 3. Was an expression of emotion.... etc... lots of different possibilities that wouldn't include agreeing with your specific theory of morality.
To accept 1,3 or 4 would require one to think she was not condeming the act of suicide bombing. This is not believable.

We all know 2 is where the game is at. So do you think suicide bombing innocent civilians is ever justified?
 
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Variant, that statement is an outright lie. If you are not aware that is a lie, I really feel sorry for you.

There is no lie about it. Unless you don't believe there are sincere yet deluded people who think such things about God's will.

We do have plenty of people from history who claim that God is on their side.

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"God is with us" is the translation if you don't speak German.

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The U.S. knows that I have attacked it, by the grace of God, for more than 10 years now. The U.S. alleges that I am fully responsible for the killing of its soldiers in Somalia. God knows that we have been pleased at the killing of American soldiers. This was achieved by the grace of God and the efforts of the mujahedin from among the Somali brothers and other Arab mujahedin who had been in Afghanistan before that. America has been trying ever since to tighten its economic blockade against us and to arrest me. It has failed. This blockade does not hurt us much. We expect to be rewarded by God.

So, yeah, this God fellow might have different ideas depending on who you ask.
 
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We all know 2 is where the game is at. So do you think suicide bombing innocent civilians is ever justified?

Numbers 31:16-18 said:
"Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

I guess holocaust against innocents depends on the context.

Unless you don't think the writer of numbers was sincere in thinking that God wanted it.
 
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As a working definition, evil is the will to intentional badness. You can't be an evil person without consciously and intentionally willing something bad upon someone else. There is also no such thing as an intrinsically or objectively bad thing or event; something is only evil by intentionality, by subjectivity.
I might be just confusing this, but isn't a thing like murder objectively evil? The action or event of taking innocent life, murder, is objectively bad because the intention to commit and evil act is inherent to it. So if we look at it that way couldn't we say that there are some events that are objectively wrong?

Murder and rape would be this way objectively wrong, whereas killing and sex would not be because killing someone doesn't necessarily have an inherent badness to it, and of course neither does sex. But if we add the intentionally malicious attitude then those acts becomes objectively evil.

Atleast that's what my brain says... lol. :)
 
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PsychoSarah asked for a presentation of an absolute standard and now two people have said the same platitude "Gods Will" which neither person can present in anything approaching an absolute manner.



Well I guess the Bible would be an acurate representation of God's will...
 
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