Evil thoughts that aren't mine

[Jonathan95]

Hi, sometimes I can get evil thoughts pop up from the subconscious, that I feel aren't mine. I can get thoughts about Jesus like "No, he doesn't care about you" and things like that, and other sick thoughts about stuff. I've been really sad about this, and I hope he understands that those thoughts aren't from my heart and are false.

Is this normal? Do you also get such thoughts from the subconscious?

 

[IndieVisible]

Hi, sometimes I can get evil thoughts pop up from the subconscious, that I feel aren't mine. I can get thoughts about Jesus like "No, he doesn't care about you" and things like that, and other sick thoughts about stuff. I've been really sad about this, and I hope he understands that those thoughts aren't from my heart and are false.

Is this normal? Do you also get such thoughts from the subconscious?

This is normal. Your mind is a very elaborate mechanism and is designed to be able to analyze with every possible scenario. This is how we learn and what separates us from the animal kingdom.

As for those little voices in our heads, and evil thoughts, it is part of the reasoning process we use. It is ok as long as you dismiss the evil thoughts that pop up.

 

[Jonathan95]

This is normal. Your mind is a very elaborate mechanism and is designed to be able to analyze with every possible scenario. This is how we learn and what separates us from the animal kingdom.

As for those little voices in our heads, and evil thoughts, it is part of the reasoning process we use. It is ok as long as you dismiss the evil thoughts that pop up.

Ok, I see, thanks. So it's ok no matter how blasphemous/sick the thoughts that pop up are, as long as I dismiss em thinking "No, that thought didn't come from me!", then it should be okay?

 

[IndieVisible]

Ok, I see, thanks. So it's ok no matter how blasphemous the thoughts that pop up are, as long as I dismiss em thinking "No, that thought didn't come from me!", then it should be okay?

We have little control what can pop up in our minds, but we do have the final say what we can do with those thoughts. When ever some thing that offends me pops in to my head, I pray. Never stop praying. It is the single best tool we have. You can pray out loud or in your mind any time.

If you are getting bombarded with such thoughts, speak to some one from your Church. A Priest or Pastor. If they can not help, seek professional help. Some times we need a doctor in severe cases that cause us distress or pain. But going by what you have said so far, you described a natural thing.

 

[servant of Merciful Love]

Praying for your peace

 

[paul becke]

Ok, I see, thanks. So it's ok no matter how blasphemous/sick the thoughts that pop up are, as long as I dismiss em thinking "No, that thought didn't come from me!", then it should be okay?

Our true nature is in Christ, Jonathon. The forces of darkness are able afflict us through our minds and bodies. They are trials like any other, although it can be unbearable without recourse to prayer.

I read something in the paper today that was beyond hideous, but it threatened to play on my mind precisely for that reason, stange though that may sound. I obtained help by praying the Memore (a Catholic prayer), invoking St Jude's help, and praying "Jesus, Mary and Joseph" - not forgetting brief prayers of praise.

Indievisible's advice sounds on the mark, doesn't it?

 

[Johnny Todd]

Hi, sometimes I can get evil thoughts pop up from the subconscious, that I feel aren't mine. I can get thoughts about Jesus like "No, he doesn't care about you" and things like that, and other sick thoughts about stuff. I've been really sad about this, and I hope he understands that those thoughts aren't from my heart and are false.

Is this normal? Do you also get such thoughts from the subconscious?

whether the thoughts are yours or not makes no difference, whether you entertain them in your mind is what counts, the bible says make every thought accountable to Christ, that means if Jesus wouldn't like it, kick it out of your mind and rebuke it. I have found this small scripture to be the most powerful weapon against my fleshly sins, I was once very bound to porn and touching yourself, until I started to really consistantly started fighting what I let my mind think about, if I would let my mind fantisize for any length of time, of any lustful sin, I would be completely powerless to keep myself from masterbating later, I can tell you for me it was a win and lose battle for some time, but I refused to give up, I had my mind set, nomatter how long this battle went on I would fight till I died, after a while since the very second a sinful thought or idea would pop in my head, I would say thats not me thats not what God wants for me, I rebuke that evil thought in the name of Jesus.......soon I was finding myself going longer and longer between failures and defeats, to the point now where its almost like I'm not even tempted, the measure of strength to resist far outweighs the measure of temptation. Also a very important factor in this battle is what you feed your mind, if you watch provocative material you will have very little success trying to be victorious over your thought life. everything you put in is like a seed, it may not sprout right away but every seed planted will have its day, unless you pull it out, and stop planting bad seed. porn is a really bad seed, it always produces sin

 

[paul becke]

Fear makes us vulnerable, and I believe that together with, or rather after, brief, petitionary prayers, prayer of praise contributes to driving out our fear.

 

[GodsChild77]

Dear God, please comfort my brother. Show him that You are there despite any thoughts that may occur and that You love him despite all of that. Please help him to truly understand that You, Lord, know the true desires of his heart - and that these thoughts which don't honor You - are not his desires at all. Help him to recognize this attack by the evil one. Help my brother to realize that You are always in this battle with him and that You will fight for him when he trusts in You to handle those thoughts for him. Help my brother to know that these thoughts don't define who he is in You, Lord, and that You love him despite it all. Give him wisdom and guidance, help from friends who can come alongside him and remind him of God's truth. Show him how to learn Your truths for himself as well. I pray that You help my friend to break out of the spiritual stronghold, give him the wisdom, discernment, and TRUTHS about who You are and about who he is to You, Your loved son. I pray that he grows closer to You Father because of undergoing this struggle and learning to rely on You to get him through it. Thank You for protecting him Jesus. Thank You for hearing our prayers.

 

[SplendidTree]

Praying!

 

[Criada]

Praying for you, brother.
Remember, temptation is not a sin - just ignore the thoughts and focus on Jesus

 

[Linus]

Praying in the name of Jesus Christ. Thank You Lord!

 

[Jonathan95]

Thank you for your prayers and piece of advice! It helped a lot ! !
Blessings to you all!

I was really depressed today, I don't think I've ever been this depressed, it was horrible, felt like I was abandoned and lost.

But now everything's back to normal (I feel fine) and can feel his love and care for me again, and I remember Jesus words to me.

When I get a temptation I'll just say "Devil, your forces have no control over me", my will is stronger than yours, and I'm with Jesus! It even sounded like I heard a cry once, when I denied a masturbation temptation. However, I was foolish enough to accept it like 3 minutes later. But I always end up being sad almost the whole day after accepting such temptations, and it always works thinking "I'm not gonna make the Devil happy, and myself sad!" and I always end up winning that battle then

I barely/don't feel the urge to touch anymore (if I do, I just don't do it). And I barely/don't look lustfully anymore, and when it get's to a dirty scene on TV, I change channel. Holy spirit is helping me too, telling me not to look at that movie/program/serie on TV and so.

Took a few weeks to overcome that problem, but your prayers in my previous thread about that helped me a lot. I wished I had fully opened my heart to Jesus when I was younger (by praying more, reading the bible which I never did before, going to church more often). He has even showed himself to me when I was 7~ and said "Don't be afraid". And yet I've been afraid, and not a true believer until now which I regret.

 

[waves]

I battle with the same issue as well.


I understand exactly what you are going through, I have gone through and have been going through the same thing. You need to subject your thoughts to Jesus Christ

2 Corinthians 10 verses 3-5

[3] For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
[4] (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
[5] Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ

Notice that we are to cast down imaginations and bring every thought to the obedience of Jesus Christ. So ensure that you are purposely thinking the right things, don't allow your mind to wander or to become empty.

Philippians 4 verse 4

[4] Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice.
[5] Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.
[6] Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
[7] And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
[8] Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
[9] Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.

Whenever you have a thought that is contrary to the word, use the word of God like what Jesus did when Satan tempted him so for example if a lustful thought comes to your mind say, 'Because I am in Jesus Christ I have crucified the flesh with all it's affections and lust.' You can also think this scripture in your mind as well over and over again.


Galatians 5 verse 24

[24] And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.



If you are thinking angry hateful thoughts say 'Although I am angry I will not let the sun go down on my wrath'


Ephesians 4 verse 26

[26] Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:


If you are feeling sad, thinking depressing thoughts, say 'This is the day that the Lord has made I will rejoice and be glad in it.


Psalms 118 verse 24

1. [24] This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.

I use to wake up every morning in a bad mood and what God told me to do every morning is to say 'This is the day that the Lord has made, I will rejoice and be glad in it'. About 2 weeks after this I noticed I wasn't in a bad mood as before.

The word of God is quick and powerful, sharper than any two edged sword


Hebrews 4 verse 12

[12] For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

So bring all your thoughts subject to Jesus Christ, when a bad thought comes to your mind speak a bible scripture that is relevant to the thought you are having. Repeat the particular scripture as often as you need it.


There is a book by Joyce Meyer named 'Battlefield Of the Mind' which I think will be helpful to you.

 

[SplendidTree]

Praying!

 

[Jonathan95]

I battle with the same issue as well.

I understand exactly what you are going through, I have gone through and have been going through the same thing. You need to subject your thoughts to Jesus Christ

Notice that we are to cast down imaginations and bring every thought to the obedience of Jesus Christ. So ensure that you are purposely thinking the right things, don't allow your mind to wander or to become empty.

Whenever you have a thought that is contrary to the word, use the word of God like what Jesus did when Satan tempted him so for example if a lustful thought comes to your mind say, 'Because I am in Jesus Christ I have crucified the flesh with all it's affections and lust.' You can also think this scripture in your mind as well over and over again.

I use to wake up every morning in a bad mood and what God told me to do every morning is to say 'This is the day that the Lord has made, I will rejoice and be glad in it'. About 2 weeks after this I noticed I wasn't in a bad mood as before.

There is a book by Joyce Meyer named 'Battlefield Of the Mind' which I think will be helpful to you.

1 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

2 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.

^I didn't understand these two^

Thanks for your advice, it will sure come useful. Also, I found that book in Swedish, maybe I can talk with my parents about it, I don't even have a real bible yet with verses, since I've just finished "Children's bible by Anne de Vries" haha might sound strange but I've had it since I was like 13, I don't have any other bible and haven't read it as frequently as I do now.

 

[whitebeaches]

praying u will have less and less depressing days.

 

[now faith]

I understand your feelings on this. When I am invaded by evil thoughts I pray this verse. 2nd Corinthians chapter 10 verse 5. Casting down imagination's and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of christ. I believe theirs more to this. Angels are messengers used by god for his purposes. demons can be fallen angels sending evil thoughts to tempt you. Notice Paul said every high thing? It a form of spiritual warfare. We must quote Gods word in prayer and rebuke this evil in the name of Jesus. To keep these thoughts from rooting themselves in our mind. If not they can manafest into our actions.God bless I will be praying for you.

 

[paul becke]

Don't put the wind up Jonathon unnecessarily, now faith. It is clear from what he says, that letting those thoughts take root in his mind is not an option for him, and that it is the crucial point. His evident faith and commitment deserve every positive reassurance.

 

[Jonathan95]

I understand your feelings on this. When I am invaded by evil thoughts I pray this verse. 2nd Corinthians chapter 10 verse 5. Casting down imagination's and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of christ. I believe theirs more to this. Angels are messengers used by god for his purposes. demons can be fallen angels sending evil thoughts to tempt you. Notice Paul said every high thing? It a form of spiritual warfare. We must quote Gods word in prayer and rebuke this evil in the name of Jesus. To keep these thoughts from rooting themselves in our mind. If not they can manafest into our actions.God bless I will be praying for you.

Notice Paul said every high thing?

No, what do you mean? I'm sorry, I just finished reading "Children's bible by Anne de Vries" might sound strange since I'm 15, but I haven't been a "true believer" until now, or how I should express it.

Cuz my mum offered me money to read that bible when I was about 13/14 years old. I began reading it for the money but later on about 30 out of 240 pages later, I remembered Jesus visit to me when I was about 7~ years old when I woke up from a nightmare crying, he came to me and said "Don't be afraid Jonathan".

I can't remember but I think that when I thought about that, that was what started me believe truly. Also, when I remembered that my mom told me once, that porn is of the devil and I also read it's a sin, so I wanted to repent.

I never read the bible before and barely prayed and thought church was boring. But I've gained the hunger for church and God's word the recent months. And now I love going to church to sing and listen to preach and going to youth alpha group. And I've told my parents I want a real bible now, and I use some bibles they already had for the moment.

The thought of that Jesus himself came to me and said "Don't be afraid", and the thought of that I haven't remembered or thought about that from 8-15 (Jesus visited me at the age of 7~ I think), it makes me sad and even depressed sometimes by the thought that I walked my own path and didn't listen to him and became a true believer earlier.

And I have Aspergers Syndrome. Makes me feel horrible when I think that he came with the intent to make me faithful and a true believer, and couldn't fulfill that, and that he came to strenghten me cuz he knew Aspergers can have it hard. He only meant good for me All these years that he probably expected me to be a true believer and I weren't. I find it hard to overcome these thoughts they really make me sad sometimes. But at some times when I think about it I just think that he understands, and haven't forsaken/doomed etc me. I want to forget these bad years and only fulfill him and always remember what he personally said to me.

I've started praying everyday that "Lord, you created this day, so I will rejoice and be happy in it". It works but sometimes I still dig deeper in these memories of the past and get sad (not depressed any longer).

Do you think he forgives me? I've been doing so much bad when I weren't a true beliver (racism in online games etc) I remember horrible stuff I've done. But I love Jesus with all my heart now and want to praise and fulfill him and I want to be a good guy and follow his word now.

I need prayers about these thoughts, I'm praying about it myself too.