Evidence that homosexuality is wrong..?

[EnemyPartyII]

umans were created by God above the rest of the animals. Hence, we are the most like God, and the most intelligent. Animals do not have the same wisdom and intelligence that we do, thus it is not okay to try to approve homosexuality as natural just because animals do it. Animals are canabals, will you also call it natural and practice it? Animalseat their dung and ticks off each others backs, will you also call that natural and prctice it yourself? Dogs sniff each other's butts, will you call that natural will you also practice it?

*You- is a refernce to everyone here, who wishes to respond.

The argument that just because animals do it means it's natural is not a good argument. THe behavior of animals does not approve oromit the judgment of God that ho0mosexuality is unnatural, and an abomination.

so... things that happen in nature aren't "natural"?

That word you use... I don't think it means what you think it means [/Princess Bride]

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Dear Wiccan_child,
J sorry you havelost me there who says we should cast out?
I believe homosexuality is same-sex attraction/orientation as in the dictionary. I believe it is natural for people who feel such temptations, but unnatural in that is not normal as in the most frequent occurrence, and dysfunctional in biological terms.
But thats entirely separate from morality, I may get the natural temptation to steal, but I don’t think that’s moral. But for Christians what is moral is up to God.

if only the most common occurence is "natural"... than anyone who is not a right handed Chinese person is "unnatural"??? Left handed, blue eyed red heads are in a serious minority (probably more homosexuals world wide than them) so... are our red head sub group unnatural?

and dysfunctional in biological terms.

Baloney. Homosexuality is clearly a desireable biological trait for some of a population, otherwise we wouldn't see it in nature.

Sure, homosexuality doesn't achieve all THE SAME biological functions as heterosexuality... but that is NOT the same as saying it doesn't achieve ANY biological function

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Wiccan_child,

I took this to mean: because no non-human has gotten a degree in pure physics, non-humans and humans cannot both be members of the set of animals (specifically, humans are not animals).

ah I see, no I didn’t mean that.

Originally Posted by Phinehas2
I believe it is natural for people who feel such temptations, but unnatural in that is not normal as in the most frequent occurrence, and dysfunctional in biological terms.

What you call 'unnatural' is called 'normal' for everyone else.

Is it? I don’t think so.

Red-hair is infrequent; would you call it unnatural?

No becaue I have just explained I would call it not normal as in a frequent occurrence.

I am also unaware of the biological term 'dysfunctional'.

The male and female sex organs are designed for each other, they are not designed male for male or female for female, one cant use a penis in a penis. Its dysfunctional

Naturally. The question, then, is what does God deem moral?

We know what God deems moral concerning sexual activity, He has told us.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

The male and female sex organs are designed for each other, they are not designed male for male or female for female, one cant use a penis in a penis. Its dysfunctional

no one is attempting to say a penis to penis conection is compatible... however, there are DIFFERENT forms of compatibility that are 100% functional for homosexuals

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Mr Pirate,

By this reasoning being left handed is not natural . Neither is having red hair, or blue eyes or being exceptionally tall natural things. as none of these occure "frequently"

As I said by this reasoning being left handed is not normal as in not as frequent as right handed. Obviously our definitions of natural and normal are different.

That is your opinion and entirely unsupported.

No its totally supported. The sex organs of male and female are made for each other. The penis naturally ejects urine and sperm, its functions are for passing waste and for providing sperm through the vagina for reproduction .Any other use is dysfunctional.

Its rather offensive to compare a minority to a criminal act. Would you compare blacks to rapists or Jews to murders

Well it might be if I was comparing a minority to a criminal act but I am not, Morality is up to God for those who believe and that includes all blacks and all Jews. You however seem to be comparing a minority to a criminal act, whilst I don’t follow your logic prehsp you could explain why you think a comparison between a minority and a criminal acts is offensive?

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear EnemyPartyII

if only the most common occurence is "natural".

You tell me, I am not saying that.

Baloney. Homosexuality is clearly a desireable biological trait for some of a population, otherwise we wouldn't see it in nature.

Rubbish, I am referring to anatomy. What I have described is quite obviously fact.

Sure, homosexuality doesn't achieve all THE SAME biological functions as heterosexuality... but that is NOT the same as saying it doesn't achieve ANY biological function

Rubbish, heterosexuality is the sexual desire, the desire doesn’t even necessarily lead to achiving any biological functions. A man who desires a woman sexually may insert his penis in her anus, biologically that is dysfunctional.

no one is attempting to say a penis to penis conection is compatible... however, there are DIFFERENT forms of compatibility that are 100% functional for homosexuals

Penis to penis insertion is impossible so it cant be connection. Homosexuals are people who have same sex attraction, I am referring to anatomy the penis of the homosexual is the same as the penis of the heterosexual, it has the same functions, it is designed to pass urine and sperm to the woman through the vagina. The functions of the penis remain the same, the use of the person with the penis is therefore either functional or dysfunctional, the desire may be to use it dysfunctionally that could be a heterosexual or a homosexual, though I agree this makes a homosexual’s natural desire, dysfunctional.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Is it? I don’t think so.

Your definition of unnatural: "[it is] unnatural in that is not normal as in the most frequent occurrence, and dysfunctional in biological terms."

Dictionary definitions of normal:
2 a : according with, constituting, or not deviating from a norm, rule, or principle b : conforming to a type, standard, or regular pattern
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=normal

adjective 1 conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected.
noun 1 the normal state or condition.
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/normal?view=uk

The concepts are identicle: the most frequent thing is deemed 'normal'. You call everything but the most frequent thing 'unnatural'. Thus, what you call 'unnatural' is what everyone else calls 'not normal'.

No becaue I have just explained I would call it not normal as in a frequent occurrence.

Which, by your definition, is unnatural. So why wouldn't you call red-headedness unnatural? It fits your definition, after all.

The male and female sex organs are designed for each other,

Really? By whom? Do you have evidence of such design?

they are not designed male for male or female for female, one cant use a penis in a penis. Its dysfunctional

On the contrary, the male g-spot is located in the anus. Why on Earth would it be placed in there if not to allow homosexual male couples to engage in mutually pleasurable penetrative sex?

We know what God deems moral concerning sexual activity, He has told us.

I presume you are referring to the Bible. Do you have any evidence that the Bible is God's word?

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Wiccan_Child,

Really? By whom? Do you have evidence of such design?

Sorry? By God for a start and the obvious I have just explained. The penis expels urine and sperm, the sperm with female eggs conceives life. So this is what the penis is designed for, and sexually with the female sex organ. I can use my penis to flatten pizza dough but it wasn’t designed for that.

On the contrary, the male g-spot is located in the anus.

Rubbish, mine isnt J anyway how do you know? You have ignored my point, there are plenty of places on the body which can be aroused.

I presume you are referring to the Bible.

Yes of course as I am a Christian.

Do you have any evidence that the Bible is God's word?

do you have any evidence that it isnt. My evidence that it is in this case is that it describes God’s purpose in faithful union of man and woman, which of course matches the anatomy, and that other uses for it are sinful desires, which of course matches peoples activities, promiscuous fornication, prostitution, same-sex sex, adultery, peadophilia.etc.

 

[RMDY]

Homosexuality is a worldly thing. It does not originate from the Father because according to Scripture, the Father created Adam and Eve. Adam was created first, then Eve, because Adam was lonely. Then they both sinned.

When Paul said to Timothy all Scripture is inspired by God, was he lying? Is he a liar because he said all sin originated from Adam when indeed some of you believe this isn't so, because Adam is a "myth"? Indeed, some of you craft your own clever ideas about what sin is and how it originated.

 

[HaloHope]

Rubbish, mine isnt J anyway how do you know? You have ignored my point, there are plenty of places on the body which can be aroused.
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Biologically. It is.

 

[Ohioprof]

Dear Mr Pirate,
As I said by this reasoning being left handed is not normal as in not as frequent as right handed. Obviously our definitions of natural and normal are different.


No its totally supported. The sex organs of male and female are made for each other. The penis naturally ejects urine and sperm, its functions are for passing waste and for providing sperm through the vagina for reproduction .Any other use is dysfunctional.

Well it might be if I was comparing a minority to a criminal act but I am not, Morality is up to God for those who believe and that includes all blacks and all Jews. You however seem to be comparing a minority to a criminal act, whilst I don’t follow your logic prehsp you could explain why you think a comparison between a minority and a criminal acts is offensive?

So what was the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] "made for?"

 

[Ohioprof]

Homosexuality is a worldly thing. It does not originate from the Father because according to Scripture, the Father created Adam and Eve. Adam was created first, then Eve, because Adam was lonely. Then they both sinned.

When Paul said to Timothy all Scripture is inspired by God, was he lying? Is he a liar because he said all sin originated from Adam when indeed some of you believe this isn't so, because Adam is a "myth"? Indeed, some of you craft your own clever ideas about what sin is and how it originated.

Heterosexuality is also a worldly thing. Sexuality is worldly; it happens while we are alive in this world.

I happen to like this world. I think we should enjoy worldly things while we are here and while we can enjoy them. Life is rich and full. I do not believe we are on this earth to suffer or to worry about an afterlife. I believe we have this time on this earth now, and we should make good use of it, for enjoyment and for sharing and for caring for others.

 

[Ohioprof]

I think that we decide on how to use our body parts. Look at all the uses we have devised for our hands and for our mouths. Our body parts do not have merely one use assigned by God. God did not put an instruction on our genitals saying, "For reproduction only." Indeed, most sexual expression does not lead to reproduction and is not intended to by the people having sex, despite what the Pope tells people to do or not do.

If the genitals are "designed" for reproduction only, then what is the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] doing there? It has no role in reproduction. It gives pleasure to women, and that's it. It doesn't even get stimulated all that effectively during heterosexual intercourse. If folks think that God "designed" our organs for specific purposes, then what did God "design" the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] for other than pure sexual pleasure.

I don't that God "designed" our bodies. I think our bodies evolved. And I think we can use our body parts however we want to. Some uses are not very healthy, like using our bodies to crash into other bodies playing football. I don't hear any Christians complaining that God didn't "design" our bodies for football. It seems that, yet again, some Christians like to point fingers at gay people and make arguments at gay people that they never make at any other group. Just because they don't like gay people....because they have been taught since childhood to dislike us and to say, "Ewwww, ick!"

 

[MrPirate]

Originally Posted by Phinehas2
I believe it is natural for people who feel such temptations, but unnatural in that is not normal as in the most frequent occurrence, and dysfunctional in biological terms.

So you claim…yet the only thing you present is your opinion regarding “dysfunctional” show some proof already.

No becaue I have just explained I would call it not normal as in a frequent occurrence.

Left-Handedness is a not frequent occurrence. Are you also claiming that left-handed individuals are dysfunctional?

Blue eyes are not frequent occurrence. Are you also claiming that people with blue eyes are dysfunctional?

The male and female sex organs are designed for each other, they are not designed male for male or female for female, one cant use a penis in a penis. Its dysfunctional

By this standard kissing is “dysfunctional”

We know what God deems moral concerning sexual activity, He has told us.

And God said nothing about homosexuality.

 

[MrPirate]

Dear Mr Pirate,
As I said by this reasoning being left handed is not normal as in not as frequent as right handed. Obviously our definitions of natural and normal are different.

In North America it is not common to have dark skin. Are you willing to say being black is not normal?

No its totally supported. The sex organs of male and female are made for each other. The penis naturally ejects urine and sperm, its functions are for passing waste and for providing sperm through the vagina for reproduction .Any other use is dysfunctional.

Repeating your unsupported opinion is NOT providing support

Well it might be if I was comparing a minority to a criminal act but I am not,

Yes you made such a comparison

Morality is up to God for those who believe and that includes all blacks and all Jews. You however seem to be comparing a minority to a criminal act,

First you compare a minority to thieves. Then you suggest that it is quite all right for you to compare other entire minorities to other crimes….then when confronted about this you turn around and they try to claim it wasn’t you saying that at all but it was somehow me.

Wow

whilst I don’t follow your logic prehsp you could explain why you think a comparison between a minority and a criminal acts is offensive?

Why don’t you find a nice bar or church or such catering to people of color, walk in and announce that because they account for about 10% of the population they are “not normal” and “dysfunctional” and then compare them as a whole to some criminal…say child molesters. I’m sure they will explain to you exactly why it is offensive

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Rubbish, I am referring to anatomy. What I have described is quite obviously fact.

No its not. Trust me, female to female anatomy is perfectly, 100% compatible. I assume male homosexuals find elements of male anatomy totally compatible too, otherwise they wouldn't be doing what they do.

Rubbish, heterosexuality is the sexual desire, the desire doesn’t even necessarily lead to achiving any biological functions. A man who desires a woman sexually may insert his penis in her anus, biologically that is dysfunctional.

wrongedy wrong wrong wrong... procreation is NOT the ONLY function of human sexuality. Accept it.

it is designed to pass urine and sperm to the woman through the vagina.

These are NOT the ONLY functions of the penis.

I'll say it again, homosexual use of the penis is entirely consistent with biological functions.

Again, those functions are NOT procreation related, but again, procreation is NOT the only function of the sex organs

 

[RMDY]

Heterosexuality is also a worldly thing. Sexuality is worldly; it happens while we are alive in this world.

I happen to like this world. I think we should enjoy worldly things while we are here and while we can enjoy them. Life is rich and full. I do not believe we are on this earth to suffer or to worry about an afterlife. I believe we have this time on this earth now, and we should make good use of it, for enjoyment and for sharing and for caring for others.

That is dangerous thinking you have there.

(I'm not lying)

We are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. (1 John 5:19). Don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God?(James 4:4).

And what is love to you? A sexual relationship? What is life to you? Living in God's blessings and living in comfort and not suffering?

 

[HaloHope]

That is dangerous thinking you have there.

If you live your life worrying or thinking souley about the afterlife I personally think that is "dangerous thinking" too. It is used by many as an excuse to treat others badly as this life dosent matter to them.

Personally I am very thankful for this life its a gift from God, I know wonderful people and Im going to enjoy it and share Gods gift of life with as many people as possible

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Sorry? By God for a start and the obvious I have just explained. The penis expels urine and sperm, the sperm with female eggs conceives life. So this is what the penis is designed for, and sexually with the female sex organ. I can use my penis to flatten pizza dough but it wasn’t designed for that.

Rubbish, mine isnt anyway how do you know? You have ignored my point, there are plenty of places on the body which can be aroused.

Which is my point: you believe that a designer buiilt the human body including the pleasure centers. Your own designer placed the male g-spot in the anus. What does that say about male-male anal sex?
And as others have said, sex isn't soley about procreation.

Yes of course as I am a Christian. do you have any evidence that it isnt.

No. Do you have any evidence that my writing is not directly inspired by the God you worship?

The burden of proof is on the person making the claim.

My evidence that it is in this case is that it describes God’s purpose in faithful union of man and woman, which of course matches the anatomy, and that other uses for it are sinful desires, which of course matches peoples activities, promiscuous fornication, prostitution, same-sex sex, adultery, peadophilia.etc.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[RMDY]

I think that we decide on how to use our body parts. Look at all the uses we have devised for our hands and for our mouths. Our body parts do not have merely one use assigned by God. God did not put an instruction on our genitals saying, "For reproduction only." Indeed, most sexual expression does not lead to reproduction and is not intended to by the people having sex, despite what the Pope tells people to do or not do.

If the genitals are "designed" for reproduction only, then what is the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] doing there? It has no role in reproduction. It gives pleasure to women, and that's it. It doesn't even get stimulated all that effectively during heterosexual intercourse. If folks think that God "designed" our organs for specific purposes, then what did God "design" the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] for other than pure sexual pleasure.

I don't that God "designed" our bodies. I think our bodies evolved. And I think we can use our body parts however we want to. Some uses are not very healthy, like using our bodies to crash into other bodies playing football. I don't hear any Christians complaining that God didn't "design" our bodies for football. It seems that, yet again, some Christians like to point fingers at gay people and make arguments at gay people that they never make at any other group. Just because they don't like gay people....because they have been taught since childhood to dislike us and to say, "Ewwww, ick!"

Let me ask you one question:

Do you believe Jesus Christ has come in the flesh?