Evidence that homosexuality is wrong..?

[EnemyPartyII]

Wiccan child, listen, you don't even believe in Yahwah. With that lack of faith you won't understand Spiritual things, so it is no wonder you lack an understanding about sin.

God designed us so that women and man are made for each other. Just like any kind of thing, man made something more out of it and abused it.
Homosexuality was not part of God's original design even if there is love involved between two people. God did not intend for people to partake in anal sex. We are not designed this way. People were designed to love each other, marry and be fruitful and multiply and serve God in a relationship between a man and a women. And just like in science, opposites attract as if we are two magnets. Two magnets of the same charge do not go together and are not natural. However, one can put them both together if man decides to do it, but naturally they will not. Do you see?

Man wills itself to be homosexual, but naturally that is not how God intended. Proof of that is in the design of our bodies. But Man loves to put a spin on sexuality and love. That was one of Israel's downfalls: putting a spin on love and sex and believing that it was right in the eyes of God.

and, once again, the truth comes out... ( no evidence, mind you) but here, again... we see another Christian literalist who cannot imagine that homosexuality means MORE than anal sex... yet that is all he seems to wish to discuss.

And seriously... human bodies aren't desinged, they evolved... but even if they WERE designed, homosexuality serves functions just as real as heterosexuality does.

 

[RMDY]

and, once again, the truth comes out... ( no evidence, mind you) but here, again... we see another Christian literalist who cannot imagine that homosexuality means MORE than anal sex... yet that is all he seems to wish to discuss.

And seriously... human bodies aren't desinged, they evolved... but even if they WERE designed, homosexuality serves functions just as real as heterosexuality does.

Anal sex is a part of male homosexuality, and that isn't even a lie.

Homosexuality is nothing more than a tare among the wheat.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Ohioprof doesn't believe in the same Messiah I do.

quite so.

But if, as you assert, it is impossible to understand spiritual truth without believing in Christ... that means it is impossible to ever attempt to understand Christ's spiritual truth, unless you believe in him first... but why would you believe in him if you don't understand him? But you can't understand him without believing in him... but why believe in him if you can't understand him... and so on...

my point is that you shoot yourself in the foot when you make silly statements. Here you have tried to explain why your theology is immune to secular logic, yet all you have succeeded in doing is prove that logically (by your rules) coming to an understanding of Christ is impossible

 

[RMDY]

quite so.

But if, as you assert, it is impossible to understand spiritual truth without believing in Christ... .that means it is impossible to ever attempt to understand Christ's spiritual truth, unless you believe in him first.. but why would you believe in him if you don't understand him? But you can't understand him without believing in him... but why believe in him if you can't understand him... and so on...

my point is that you shoot yourself in the foot when you make silly statements. Here you have tried to explain why your theology is immune to secular logic, yet all you have succeeded in doing is prove that logically (by your rules) coming to an understanding of Christ is impossible

Christ is Spirit, and if you don't have faith in the Spirit, how can you have faith in Christ?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Anal sex is a part of male homosexuality, and that isn't even a lie.

Homosexuality is nothing more than a tare among the wheat.

Again, you are mistaken... not all actively homosexual men engage in anal sex.

However, my point is that if you think any discussion about homosexuality is really a discussion about anal sex, you are not only misguided and illinformed, but also offensive.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Christ is Spirit, and if you don't have faith in the Spirit, how can you have faith in Christ?

MORE semantic doubletalk???

Seriously... explain to me how...

If you can't understand spiritual issues without knowing Christ...

and you can't know Christ without understanding spiritual matters...

anyone who doesn't know Christ can EVER know Christ?

 

[RMDY]

Again, you are mistaken... not all actively homosexual men engage in anal sex.

However, my point is that if you think any discussion about homosexuality is really a discussion about anal sex, you are not only misguided and illinformed, but also offensive.

Then we are getting legalistic here about anal sex. I didn't lie when I said it is part of homosexuality. I didn't say "all homosexuals partake in anal sex." I just said it is a part of homosexuality. It is no different than me saying "vaginal sex is a part of hetrosexuality".

Now, you have heard me speak about homosexuality many times and I have spoken about it regarding Spirit and not anal sex.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

oh, and I'll say it again, in case it was missed.... homosexuality serves functions JUST as real as heterosexuality does

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Then we are getting legalistic here about anal sex. I didn't lie when I said it is part of homosexuality. I didn't say "all homosexuals partake in anal sex." I just said it is a part of homosexuality. It is no different than me saying "vaginal sex is a part of hetrosexuality".

Now, you have heard me speak about homosexuality many times and I have spoken about it regarding Spirit and not anal sex.

then why do you keep harping on about how anal sex isn't "natural" ? As though that is justification in and of itself for your condemnation of homosexuality?

(a valid definition of what you mean by "natural" could only help your position too, FYI)

 

[RMDY]

MORE semantic doubletalk???

Seriously... explain to me how...

If you can't understand spiritual issues without knowing Christ...

and you can't know Christ without understanding spiritual matters...

anyone who doesn't know Christ can EVER know Christ?

Christ is the truth, the way, and the life. If you don't trust and have faith in this, then what?

It is like this:

If you don't have faith in Messiah, how can you trust messiah? That would make one a skeptic who is not willingly to trust Messiah on his word.
So if you are skeptical about Messiah's words, how can you trust in Him on spiritual matters?

 

[RMDY]

oh, and I'll say it again, in case it was missed.... homosexuality serves functions JUST as real as heterosexuality does

Loving others is fine, except when people partake in homosexual erotica and romance between each other.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Loving others is fine, except when people partake in homosexual erotica and romance between each other.

got any actual logical evidence to support this statement?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Wiccan child, listen, you don't even believe in Yahwah. With that lack of faith you won't understand Spiritual things, so it is no wonder you lack an understanding about sin.

First of all, I have faith: notice my lack of atheism.
Second, if you cannot coherently state your argument, that is your problem. My lack of belief in your god is irrelevant.

God designed us so that women and man are made for each other.
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Homosexuality was not part of God's original design...
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We are not designed this way.
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People were designed to...
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...the design of our bodies.
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Humans were not designed. End of.

Just like any kind of thing, man made something more out of it and abused it.

You presume that homosexuality abused heterosexuality. Are you homosexual yourself? It would be absurd to make such outrageous claims otherwise.

Homosexuality was not part of God's original design even if there is love involved between two people. God did not intend for people to partake in anal sex.

How trite.

1. Anal sex is not restricted to gay men: many heterosexual couples enjoy it.
2. Anal sex is not common among gay women.

Do you approve of lesbians, then? Indeed, is your basis for your 'homosexuality is unnatural' argument rooted in your disgust for what people put in their anus?
One wonders why you are so concerned foor the anuses of others...

People were designed to love each other, marry and be fruitful and multiply and serve God in a relationship between a man and a women.

There it is: you attach 'between a man and a woman' with no justification.

And just like in science, opposites attract as if we are two magnets. Two magnets of the same charge do not go together and are not natural. However, one can put them both together if man decides to do it, but naturally they will not. Do you see?

I understand that like charges repel, yes. What I don't see is how this is relevant to human sexuality: people are attracted, rather like magnets, to some people. Homosexuals are attracted to their own 'charge', heterosexuals are attracted to the opposite 'charge', and bisexuals are attracted to both 'charges'.
And for the record, mentioning a scientific principle does not make your argument scientific.

Man wills itself to be homosexual,

Justification?

but naturally that is not how God intended. Proof of that is in the design of our bodies. But Man loves to put a spin on sexuality and love. That was one of Israel's downfalls: putting a spin on love and sex and believing that it was right in the eyes of God.

You may as well cite Rome and Sodom for all the relevance this has.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Loving others is fine, except when people partake in homosexual erotica and romance between each other.

An arbitrary distinction. Can you justify it?

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Wiccan_child,

An arbitrary distinction. Can you justify it?

I think it depends on what one means by love. I can speak as a Christian and say that in the same way some say Jesus never mentioned homosexuality we can also say Jesus never mentioned love. What Jesus mentioned was agape and phileo, what He described and demonstrated was God's 'agape' 1 John 4
What He taught was if we obey His teaching we agape God and God agape's us. John 14 & 15
What I think some are arguing is that love should include same-sex sex, yet the only mention of love with a union is the union of man and woman, 1 Cor 7

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Dear Wiccan_child,
I think it depends on what one means by love. I can speak as a Christian and say that in the same way some say Jesus never mentioned homosexuality we can also say Jesus never mentioned love. What Jesus mentioned was agape and phileo, what He described and demonstrated was God's 'agape' 1 John 4
What He taught was if we obey His teaching we agape God and God agape's us. John 14 & 15
What I think some are arguing is that love should include same-sex sex, yet the only mention of love with a union is the union of man and woman, 1 Cor 7

so?

You don't think homosexuals feel the same love for their partners heterosexuals do?

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear EnemyPartyII
Not Christians who are homosexuals no, they feel more for God. But I was refering to Christ and His teaching not some homosexuals' ideas' as opposed to others. Besides if the idea of love is different how can it be the same feelings?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Dear Wiccan_child,
I think it depends on what one means by love. I can speak as a Christian and say that in the same way some say Jesus never mentioned homosexuality we can also say Jesus never mentioned love. What Jesus mentioned was agape and phileo, what He described and demonstrated was God's 'agape' 1 John 4
What He taught was if we obey His teaching we agape God and God agape's us. John 14 & 15

Agreed. The word 'love' is used for four similar concepts, and this is the cause of much confusion (and, hence, humour!).

What I think some are arguing is that love should include same-sex sex, yet the only mention of love with a union is the union of man and woman, 1 Cor 7

Same-sex sex is not love, and noone is arguing this. Same-sex couples can love as much as opposite-sex couples: just ask a bisexual.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Dp

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Dear EnemyPartyII
Not Christians who are homosexuals no, they feel more for God. But I was refering to Christ and His teaching not some homosexuals' ideas' as opposed to others. Besides if the idea of love is different how can it be the same feelings?

What are you jabbering about?

Three couples... a heterosexual couple, a male homosexual couple and a female homosexual couple... all 3 couples love each other... all 6 individuals feel the same emotion for their partners.