Evidence on the Deep State

[cow451]

Oh please. None of that shows criminality on Trump's part. Land deals? Really? That's all they got? So you can't try and work out land deals in foreign countries? And the 7 pleas? What are they for? None of it is for crimes Trump committed.

And all the Russian stuff? Of course they tried to interfere in the election. I bet they've been doing it for years! Still no evidence that Trump broke the law.

It's been a witch Hunt from the start and two years later they still got nothing but some people who lied to investigators and tax cheats.

President Warlock appreciates your loyalty.

 

[rjs330]

President Warlock appreciates your loyalty.

Hmm... Still no criminal charges? Didn't think so.

 

[Speedwell]

And all the Russian stuff? Of course they tried to interfere in the election. I bet they've been doing it for years! Still no evidence that Trump broke the law.

So that's the talking point now? The Right finally admits that there was Russian interference in the election, but doesn't think it matters?

 

[Speedwell]

Hmm... Still no criminal charges? Didn't think so.

So what? You're the one who thinks that the Mueller investigation is a "witch hunt" to "get Trump." If Mueller gets to the bottom of the Russian interference in our election, I, for one, won't be disappointed if no criminal charges are laid against Trump.

 

[rjs330]

So that's the talking point now? The Right finally admits that there was Russian interference in the election, but doesn't think it matters?

That's not the point is it. Of course it matters! I don't want ANY country messing with our elections. We get enough misinformation during elections from our own people. We don't need more from other countries.

 

[rjs330]

So what? You're the one who thinks that the Mueller investigation is a "witch hunt" to "get Trump." If Mueller gets to the bottom of the Russian interference in our election, I, for one, won't be disappointed if no criminal charges are laid against Trump.

Good!

 

[iluvatar5150]

Oh please. None of that shows criminality on Trump's part.

Campaign finance violations are criminal.

Land deals? Really? That's all they got? So you can't try and work out land deals in foreign countries?

Not if you do it in a way that's illegal.

And the 7 pleas? What are they for? None of it is for crimes Trump committed.

And all the Russian stuff? Of course they tried to interfere in the election. I bet they've been doing it for years! Still no evidence that Trump broke the law.

Except that there is evidence that he broke the law, which I've already described.

It's been a witch Hunt from the start and two years later they still got nothing but some people who lied to investigators and tax cheats.

*psst* they're not done yet

Two years isn't a long time for these investigations and the prosecutions typically start at the bottom and work their way up. There's a strong argument to be made that they can't indict a sitting president anyways.

I don't understand how a serious, intelligent, honest person can even make the argument you just made. It's a stupid argument. You don't know that they "got nothing" - your only information is what's been leaked or released to the press, which isn't much. You have no idea what they have on him so far. Things don't cease to exist just because you're ignorant of them.

 

[Speedwell]

That's not the point is it. Of course it matters! I don't want ANY country messing with our elections. We get enough misinformation during elections from our own people. We don't need more from other countries.

So why is the Right so anxious to spin the Mueller investigation into nothing but a "witch hunt" to "get Trump?"

Though it is good to know that there are some conservatives like yourself who will now actually admit that any Russian interference in our election took place at all.

 

[cow451]

Hmm... Still no criminal charges? Didn't think so.

Patience, friend, patience.

 

[cow451]

So why is the Right so anxious to spin the Mueller investigation into nothing but a "witch hunt" to "get Trump?"

Though it is good to know that there are some conservatives like yourself who will now actually admit that any Russian interference in our election took place at all.

Information from today’s release on the warrant to search Cohen’s home.

How Trump let the FBI into Cohen's email, and 4 more takeaways from Mueller's search warrant

4. Trump exposed Cohen's Gmail.Despite the warrant's orders, Google wouldn't hand over data stored on "servers located outside of the United States." But Trump soon signed a law giving U.S. law enforcement enhanced access to overseas servers, prompting U.S. prosecutors to return to court and eventually win access to Cohen's Gmail.

 

[Pommer]

So what? You're the one who thinks that the Mueller investigation is a "witch hunt" to "get Trump." If Mueller gets to the bottom of the Russian interference in our election, I, for one, won't be disappointed if no criminal charges are laid against Trump.

Hear here!
In fact I think, that Mueller has the goods on 45 (in still sealed indictments pending before the courts). We will never see those indictments as they will be held to ensure that either Trump doesn’t run, my preference, or is convinced to eat a baby* on the campaign trial so that the only people who vote for him are investigated immediately!


*or some other equally horrific thing that will turn off “moderates”.

 

[KCfromNC]

Sorry, but it's not. They have gone after Trump despite no evidence that he committed any crimes in this Russian probe.

No, they've investigated Russian interference in the 2016 election. Weird that his supporters seems to view this as somehow related to Trump himself.

 

[rjs330]

Campaign finance violations are criminal.



Not if you do it in a way that's illegal.






Except that there is evidence that he broke the law, which I've already described.



*psst* they're not done yet

Two years isn't a long time for these investigations and the prosecutions typically start at the bottom and work their way up. There's a strong argument to be made that they can't indict a sitting president anyways.

I don't understand how a serious, intelligent, honest person can even make the argument you just made. It's a stupid argument. You don't know that they "got nothing" - your only information is what's been leaked or released to the press, which isn't much. You have no idea what they have on him so far. Things don't cease to exist just because you're ignorant of them.

They still haven't shown he committed any crimes. Now, I don't believe anyone should get away with crimes committed. And if the FBI comes forward and presents a case for crimes he committed then he ought to be charged.

I don't support the man, he's a class one jerk. But the way he's been attacked right from the start makes me disgusted. And so far after two years there still isn't anything.

 

[cow451]

They still haven't shown he committed any crimes. Now, I don't believe anyone should get away with crimes committed. And if the FBI comes forward and presents a case for crimes he committed then he ought to be charged.

I don't support the man, he's a class one jerk. But the way he's been attacked right from the start makes me disgusted. And so far after two years there still isn't anything.

As I said, patience, friend. And remember that there are investigations. That’s plural.

 

[rjs330]

So why is the Right so anxious to spin the Mueller investigation into nothing but a "witch hunt" to "get Trump?"

Though it is good to know that there are some conservatives like yourself who will now actually admit that any Russian interference in our election took place at all.

I think most people recognize the Russians were messing around in the election. Like I said they've probably been doing it for years! What most of us are questioning is the Trump Russian collusion to affect the election.

 

[rjs330]

No, they've investigated Russian interference in the 2016 election. Weird that his supporters seems to view this as somehow related to Trump himself.

Perhaps I misunderstand you. Are you saying that the investigation had nothing to do with a Trump/Russia collusion issue? I remember from day one the news media and all kinds of people talking about it and how it should be investigated. Then Meuller got involved and it just amped up from there.

 

[Speedwell]

Perhaps I misunderstand you. Are you saying that the investigation had nothing to do with a Trump/Russia collusion issue? I remember from day one the news media and all kinds of people talking about it and how it should be investigated. Then Meuller got involved and it just amped up from there.

The Mueller investigation is about Russian interference in the election and the possible involvement of Americans in it, including members of Trump's campaign. Have you never read Mueller's orders?
https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download
It never was specifically about Trump himself.

 

[Speedwell]

I think most people recognize the Russians were messing around in the election. Like I said they've probably been doing it for years!

Trump still denies it.

What most of us are questioning is the Trump Russian collusion to affect the election.

Which is mostly right-wing spin. That is what I have been questioning. Why is the right so anxious to misrepresent the Mueller investigation as nothing but a witch hunt to get Trump for collusion? The only thing I can come up with is that if Mueller comes up with no collusion by Trump he can brush off any other of Mueller's real findings as inconsequential.

 

[USincognito]

That's not the point is it. Of course it matters! I don't want ANY country messing with our elections. We get enough misinformation during elections from our own people. We don't need more from other countries.

Kudos. Some of your fellow travelers think it's fine if foreign powers interfere with our elections because "we do it too".

 

[TLK Valentine]

I think most people recognize the Russians were messing around in the election. Like I said they've probably been doing it for years!

And they succeeded.

What most of us are questioning is the Trump Russian collusion to affect the election.

Donald is a businessman. He had business deals with the Russians both before and during his campaign. What did he offer them?