Evidence of miracles.

[Opdrey]

I take ALL faiths seriously.

Do you now? Do you believe that a Muslim is as absolutely certain that YOU are wrong as you are that THEY are wrong?

Wouldn't it be great if there was a way to tell who is right?

I know with absolute 100% certainty who YOU think is right. Not because I have seen the content of your reasoning...but because I know which religion you are in.

That's the way to tell who is right and who is wrong.

And that means that everyone is right and everyone is wrong.

 

[AV1611VET]

But do be aware that when you jump all over science as if you have any standing in it, you will be met by someone who actually DOES.

If you think I'm bad, wait until Jesus comes back and puts an end to junk science, rigged votes, and whatever else science has tied up in knots.

Just watch those ten different theories hypotheses as to how we got our moon get pwned, should Jesus take us all back in time to see the Creation Events firsthand.

(And He just might put Pluto back where it belongs! That'll tick'em off! )

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you now?

Yes I do.

Do you believe that a Muslim is as absolutely certain that YOU are wrong as you are that THEY are wrong?

Yes I do.

Wouldn't it be great if there was a way to tell who is right?

It sure would.

I know with absolute 100% certainty who YOU think is right.

So do I.

Not because I have seen the content of your reasoning...but because I know which religion you are in.

That's a shame.

It's too bad you can't know because it's what the Bible says.

Incidentally, since you know me so well, how do I define "religion" and "faith"? (answers below)

Spoiler: DEFINITION OF RELIGION

Just as weight occurs when gravity is resisted, religion occurs when the Bible is resisted.

Spoiler: DEFINITION OF FAITH

Believing something when science says otherwise.

 

[Opdrey]

If you think I'm bad, wait until Jesus comes back and puts an end to junk science, rigged votes, and whatever else science has tied up in knots.

And you assume Jesus is going to agree with you on Pluto? That's brave.

I envy your lack of any self-doubt. As far as you know you are perfectly 100% in line with what Jesus wants.

(And He just might put Pluto back where it belongs! That'll tick'em off! )

I think Jesus is smart enough to know all about the Pluto thing and what it REALLY means. Maybe HE can explain it to you at that time.

 

[Opdrey]

It's too bad you can't know because it's what the Bible says.

The Bible says it is right. Well, QED.

Incidentally, since you know me so well, how do I define "religion" and "faith"? (answers below)

I simply assumed you defined as the Bible does. Hebrews 11.1

 

[partinobodycular]

I don't take faith flippantly.

I'm curious, how do differentiate faith from self-absorbed arrogance? Because at least to me, what some people claim as the former actually looks a great deal like the latter.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Run anything through mud and it gets ruined.

But if you throw it against the wall of human credulousness and/or gullibility, some will stick.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

And you assume Jesus is going to agree with you on Pluto? That's brave.

I envy your lack of any self-doubt. As far as you know you are perfectly 100% in line with what Jesus wants.

Believers tend to accommodate their idea of God to their own preferences rather than vice-versa. It's been demonstrated that, for many, their ideas of what God would think or want in some situation vary according to their mood, or what they've seen or read prior to being asked. As a child, I used to wonder how people could change their sect or religion if that wasn't the case.

 

[AV1611VET]

Believers tend to accommodate their idea of God to their own preferences rather than vice-versa.

That's not so!

It's not easy tithing 1% of my money each week!

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

That's not so!

It's not easy tithing 1% of my money each week!

I'm talking about the finer details - as I described...

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm talking about the finer details - as I described...

You didn't get my joke, did you?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

You didn't get my joke, did you?

Clearly not - unless it was to do with tithing 1%. Not being serious doesn't make it a joke...

 

[SLP]

Take this. A pelvic cancer before cancers were in anyway curable had destroyed all the pelvic bone to a leg bone connected only by small amounts of soft tissue.

Journey to Lourdes healing waters.
Bone reappeared albeit a shorter leg. Pain disappeared. Cancer gone.

Appeared in serious medical journals.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6027009/pdf/10.1179_0024363913Z.00000000015.pdf

"The Linacre Quarterly is a peer-reviewed academic journal that was established in 1932. It is the official journal of the Catholic Medical Association and primarily focuses on the relationship between medicine and spirituality, and in particular on medical ethics."​

That is a 'serious medical journal'? Let me guess - half the articles in it are about life beginning at conception, and the other half are about miracles?

SEPTEMBER 11, 20087:44 AMUPDATED 14 YEARS AGO
No new Lourdes miracles despite eased criteria
"Of the six million pilgrims who visit Lourdes each year, about 40 claim they have been miraculously healed there. But doctors usually end up telling them their recoveries were not totally inexplicable..."​

Amazing - a whopping 0.0006% miracle cure rate (if we accept the anecdotes as real)!

"Between 1907 and 1913, 33 healings were declared miraculous. Another 22 were declared between 1946 and 1965. But there have only been five declared miracles since then, the last in 2005."​

Reminds of the fact that since the invention of the printing press, the number of reported miracles and Divine Interventions of various types have gone down - dramatically so when rapid mass communication came to be. Funny how that works.

 

[Mountainmike]

Reuters? Is that your idea of “authority”?

If instead you studied the work of the medical commission ( eg read the various books written by heads of the commission who explain the process)
how it decides , and the sheer number of doctors involved in presenting a case, the great and good of French medical professors , involved in taking the decision and if you were objective you might even be Impressed.

But it’s so much easier to be facetious than study.
Try Bernadette Moriau. Try to explain it. Medicine can’t.

But then I’ve long accepted the average atheist poster on these threads knows more than the net sum of all professors, doctors, pathologists ( including one Nobel laureate medic) involved in such cases.
Or rather - they think they know more because of refusal to study.

"The Linacre Quarterly is a peer-reviewed academic journal that was established in 1932. It is the official journal of the Catholic Medical Association and primarily focuses on the relationship between medicine and spirituality, and in particular on medical ethics."​

That is a 'serious medical journal'? Let me guess - half the articles in it are about life beginning at conception, and the other half are about miracles?

SEPTEMBER 11, 20087:44 AMUPDATED 14 YEARS AGO
No new Lourdes miracles despite eased criteria
"Of the six million pilgrims who visit Lourdes each year, about 40 claim they have been miraculously healed there. But doctors usually end up telling them their recoveries were not totally inexplicable..."​

Amazing - a whopping 0.0006% miracle cure rate (if we accept the anecdotes as real)!

"Between 1907 and 1913, 33 healings were declared miraculous. Another 22 were declared between 1946 and 1965. But there have only been five declared miracles since then, the last in 2005."​

Reminds of the fact that since the invention of the printing press, the number of reported miracles and Divine Interventions of various types have gone down - dramatically so when rapid mass communication came to be. Funny how that works.

 

[SLP]

Reuters? Is that your idea of “authority”?

It is my idea of a legitimate source with relevant references.

You employ a Catholic group that sets out to prop up religious nonsense.

And you put your 'faith' in a whopping 0.0006% miracle cure rate (if we accept the anecdotes as real)!

Sad.

 

[Astrid]

Reuters? Is that your idea of “authority”?

If instead you studied the work of the medical commission ( eg read the various books written by heads of the commission who explain the process)
how it decides , and the sheer number of doctors involved in presenting a case, the great and good of French medical professors , involved in taking the decision and if you were objective you might even be Impressed.

But it’s so much easier to be facetious than study.
Try Bernadette Moriau. Try to explain it. Medicine can’t.

But then I’ve long accepted the average atheist poster on these threads knows more than the net sum of all professors, doctors, pathologists ( including one Nobel laureate medic) involved in such cases.
Or rather - they think they know more because of refusal to study.

So you have noticed that you and all other creationists
know more than every scientist in the world.
And none of you find it at all remarkable that you can
do it with no study or ability to demonstrate any proficiency.

Isnt that interesting? There may be Nobel in figuring out
how you do it.

Or at least a footnote somewhere about how you guys believe it.

 

[AV1611VET]

So you have noticed that you and all other creationists know more than every scientist in the world.

Eyes barn ignit, eyes die ignit.

I've been lambasted before for "wearing my ignorance like a badge," but I have to admit, I've never seen a poster insinuate that I'm not a creationist.

Until now, that is.

 

[Homeowner]

Try Bernadette Moriau. Try to explain it. Medicine can’t.

Your assertion seems to be that something "medicine" can't explain is a miracle ?

This would require logically that "medicine" had knowledge of everything that pertained to health.

I don't think anyone has ever claimed that.

Just for curiosity why are there no amputees growing their limbs back ? That is something "medicine" quite clearly says will not happen.

For God of course it should not matter at all.

However, there is no documented Lourdes miracle of getting your missing arm or leg back. Not even on 0,0006% range that was mentioned earlier.

There are around 2 million amputees in US alone.

Amputee Statistics You Ought to Know | AdvancedAmputees.com

0,0006% getting their limbs back would be huge. It is not happening. Ever. Why ?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Your assertion seems to be that something "medicine" can't explain is a miracle ?

This would require logically that "medicine" had knowledge of everything that pertained to health.

I don't think anyone has ever claimed that.

Just for curiosity why are there no amputees growing their limbs back ? That is something "medicine" quite clearly says will not happen.

For God of course it should not matter at all.

However, there is no documented Lourdes miracle of getting your missing arm or leg back. Not even on 0,0006% range that was mentioned earlier.

There are around 2 million amputees in US alone.

Amputee Statistics You Ought to Know | AdvancedAmputees.com

0,0006% getting their limbs back would be huge. It is not happening. Ever. Why ?

Let me guess, God Works in Mysterious Ways?

 

[Homeowner]

Let me guess, God Works in Mysterious Ways?

More or less the case usually.

I would be more interested on the answer for if we or science can't explain something what makes it a miracle instead of just something we can't explain yet because we lack knowledge.