Evidence of miracles.

[NxNW]

People report their own stories of miracles every day on the internet. There are many prayer sites in which people Thank God for a medical cure...for the restoration of a marriage...for a financial blessing...for a job...a house...a car.

None of these things are miracles if they originated with human beings.

 

[Astrid]

Just because recording methods have improved does not necessarily mean that the number of miracles has decreased.


How do you know that miracles don't happen every day? Miracles can occur to groups of people, OR they can occur to ONE individual personally. There's no "official" definition of a miracle that states in order for something to be a miracle it must be "officially" recorded as one.


People report their own stories of miracles every day on the internet. There are many prayer sites in which people Thank God for a medical cure...for the restoration of a marriage...for a financial blessing...for a job...a house...a car. Miracles aren't only limited to medical cures.


Between 1859 and 2015, about 7,000 cures have been documented at Lourdes.
The church has "vigorously investigated and validated" about 70 of them. One reasons is because, as Michael stated, that the church tests the miracle, six ways to Sunday. And the process can take decades to do. Although the Church takes these 'declarations' very seriously, they don't simply say, "Well, if *you* say it's a miracle Mr. John Doe, we'll take your word for it!" And yes, the Church has debunked quite a number of so-called 'miracles' as proposed by others. The events simply may not rise to the stringent standards that the Church imposes.

Miracle Hunter: Lourdes - List of Approved Miracles

Wait, God gave someone a car?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Just because recording methods have improved does not necessarily mean that the number of miracles has decreased.

Correct, so the fact that the number has gone down is not a good sign.

How do you know that miracles don't happen every day? Miracles can occur to groups of people, OR they can occur to ONE individual personally. There's no "official" definition of a miracle that states in order for something to be a miracle it must be "officially" recorded as one.

You need to pay attention. We are talking about reports of magic here. There is no real difference between the two.

People report their own stories of miracles every day on the internet. There are many prayer sites in which people Thank God for a medical cure...for the restoration of a marriage...for a financial blessing...for a job...a house...a car. Miracles aren't only limited to medical cures.

No, they really do not. You are sounding desperate.

Between 1859 and 2015, about 7,000 cures have been documented at Lourdes.
The church has "vigorously investigated and validated" about 70 of them. One reasons is because, as Michael stated, that the church tests the miracle, six ways to Sunday. And the process can take decades to do. Although the Church takes these 'declarations' very seriously, they don't simply say, "Well, if *you* say it's a miracle Mr. John Doe, we'll take your word for it!" And yes, the Church has debunked quite a number of so-called 'miracles' as proposed by others. The events simply may not rise to the stringent standards that the Church imposes.

Miracle Hunter: Lourdes - List of Approved Miracles

The Catholic church?!? You're kidding right? And the fox reported no break ins at the henhouse.

 

[Mink61]

None of these things are miracles if they originated with human beings.

Who says these things "originated" with human beings?

 

[Mink61]

Wait, God gave someone a car?

Yes. Plenty of times.

 

[NxNW]

Who says these things "originated" with human beings?

Does God print money for a financial blessing...

Does God work in HR for a job...

Does God swing a hammer to build a house...

Does God work in the Ford plant to build a car...

Is there anything supernatural about the above items?

 

[Mink61]

Correct, so the fact that the number has gone down is not a good sign.

You have no idea if the number has 'gone down'. Just because something isn't recorded doesn't mean it didn't happen.

You need to pay attention. We are talking about reports of magic here. There is no real difference between the two.

And you need to stop insulting. I am paying attention. And we're talking about miracles; not "magic".

No, they really do not. You are sounding desperate.

No, I'm not being desperate. I simply explained that miracles aren't limited to the physical world.

The Catholic church?!? You're kidding right? And the fox reported no break ins at the henhouse.

No, I'm not kidding. Isn't that part of what we're talking about?

 

[The happy Objectivist]

Straw man. Study what I said.
There is a difference between unexplained and inexplicable.

I don't think there is anything that is inexplicable. How would one demonstrate that something will remain unexplained forever?

 

[Subduction Zone]

You have no idea if the number has 'gone down'. Just because something isn't recorded doesn't mean it didn't happen.


And you need to stop insulting. I am paying attention. And we're talking about miracles; not "magic".


No, I'm not being desperate. I simply explained that miracles aren't limited to the physical world.


No, I'm not kidding. Isn't that part of what we're talking about?

Sure I do. Here is a suggestion, try to find a reliable source when making claims.

 

[Mink61]

Does God print money for a financial blessing...

Does God work in HR for a job...

Does God swing a hammer to build a house...

Does God work in the Ford plant to build a car...

Is there anything supernatural about the above items?

WHY does God have to print money for a financial blessing?
WHY does God have to work in HR?
WHY does God have to swing a hammer to build a house?

The difference between us is that *I* believe (along with a few billion others...) that God often works through people. It's not a question of "Either God does it, OR someone else does it."

 

[NxNW]

Wait, God gave someone a car?

Yes. Plenty of times.

God signed over the title?

 

[Mink61]

Sure I do. Here is a suggestion, try to find a reliable source when making claims.

YOU were the one who wrote that the number has "gone down". Did YOU provide a reliable source for YOUR claim?

 

[Subduction Zone]

YOU were the one who wrote that the number has "gone down". Did YOU provide a reliable source for YOUR claim?

You were the one that denied that fact. Did you supply any evidence?

Let me see what I can find.

 

[Mink61]

You were the one that denied that fact. Did you supply any evidence?

Let me see what I can find.

YOU were the one who posted that in the first place. I asked, "How do YOU know?"
Where's YOUR 'proof'? Where's YOUR 'evidence' in order to make that claim?

 

[Astrid]

Some Twain quotes on miracles

MARK TWAIN quotes about "Miracles" | inspringquotes.us

 

[NxNW]

WHY does God have to print money for a financial blessing?
WHY does God have to work in HR?
WHY does God have to swing a hammer to build a house?

Because otherwise, they originate from human beings, as I explained earlier. But you're welcome to explain exactly where and when the laws of nature are violated by God.

The difference between us is that *I* believe (along with a few billion others...) that God often works through people. It's not a question of "Either God does it, OR someone else does it."

Either we have free will 100% of the time, or God controls our thoughts and actions and we are automatons. Which is it?

Or are we automatons for a few minutes every now and then when God has to make a correction because he failed to plan ahead?

You need to think about the implications of what you're saying.

 

[NxNW]

You were the one that denied that fact. Did you supply any evidence?

Let me see what I can find.

For Lourdes, it's in the Faith Healers link I provided early in the thread.

 

[Mink61]

Because otherwise, they originate from human beings, as I explained earlier. But you're welcome to explain exactly where and when the laws of nature are violated by God.



Either we have free will 100% of the time, or God controls our thoughts and actions and we are automatons. Which is it?

Whoa...who said that? Can't it be BOTH?

Or are we automatons for a few minutes every now and then when God has to make a correction because he failed to plan ahead?

You need to think about the implications of what you're saying.

Automatons...no. But again, it seems to be an either/or with some of you.

Again, why can't it be both?

 

[Subduction Zone]

L

YOU were the one who posted that in the first place. I asked, "How do YOU know?"
Where's YOUR 'proof'? Where's YOUR 'evidence' in order to make that claim?

LOL! Don't worry. I will follow through in a bit. My tablet is stuck with Bing as a search wagon. It can be useless at times.

But I do need to point out once again that you made the laughable choice of the Catholic church as a source. That gives me quite a bit of leeway in choosing a reliable source by your standards.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Wait, God gave someone a car?

Some people treat Oprah as a God.