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And here I thought I only had to stay on the atheistic threads if i wanted to hear condescention!
Sorry that this came across as being directed to all creationists. It was posted specifically in response to this post:
It is interesting how steady and vicious the attack has been against something as simple as a set of principles of interpretion, principles that have been tried down through the years and are taught in many Bible colleges and seminaries.
It truly shows how little support there is for the allegorical/metaphorical interpretation of Genesis that they cannot even let a list like this pass without attack.
If we are wrong when we disagree and wrong when we don't, then what other way out is there for us?
Anyways:
Interesting, so God created the heavens and the earth at night?....Doesn't really have anything to do with them not being real days...
Read the passage carefully.
And God said, Let there be light,
and there was light.
And God saw that the light was good.
And God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.
And there was evening and there was morning, the first day. (Gen 1:3-5, ESV)
The "and" marks an Eastern style of storytelling where a sequence of events is being recounted. So God said "let there be light", then there was light, then God saw that the light was good, then God separated light from darkness and named them, then there was evening and morning.and there was light.
And God saw that the light was good.
And God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.
And there was evening and there was morning, the first day. (Gen 1:3-5, ESV)
You see? It's not that God created at night. It's that God created, and then night came.
I never thought that God rested at night during creation.....I never thought anything more than that "evening and morning" meant that they were just days in which God did the creating.......sounds like too much is being read into this
All Scripture is God-breathed, isn't it?
Not necessarily.....I think that is something that has been read into the passage....
And just what might that be?
But does it really mean that the Seventh Day was not a literal day? Because if it was, it would seem that when God says to "Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy" Then like you said, we should not ever be working again after the Sabbath Day...So why isn't the Seventh Day simply a regular day? And if God has rested of all of His works since the Seventh Day (i.e. the Seventh Day is still going on?)
If God did not rest for a regular day; and if God is still resting, then how was He able to send Jesus to do the work required to save the world? Because Jesus (being God) was involved with the Creation process:
"1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made." John 1:1-3
Since Jesus was involved with the Creation work, and if Jesus--being God--rested also on the Seventh Day (presumably, correct? Would not all of God rest, or only part?); How then can Jesus do any further work if He--as God--is still in this non-literal Seventh Day of Rest?
You think that's bad? Try this out:
And this was why the Jews were persecuting Jesus, because he was doing these things on the Sabbath. But Jesus answered them, My Father is working until now, and I am working. (John 5:16-17, ESV)
From the point of view of this verse God has never stopped working, not even once. (This is even more significant because Jesus said this on and of the earthly Sabbath which is meant to reflect God's rest!)
In any case, my reasons stand: the seventh day doesn't get a night finish unlike the other six, and is referred to by the author of Hebrews as a rest we can still enter into. There is nothing you have presented that negates this evidence.
Just because the pattern of creation days is used as a comparison for other cycles of time in Scripture does not automatically mean that the 6 days were not 6 regular days....The Exodus and Leviticus comparisons are just that, comparisons....The impact of both comparisons does not rely (in either case) that the 6 days of creation be literal or figurative, since the comparison deals with the cycle of work and rest.....
again, I think too much is being read into this....
That's fair enough. So would you be agreeing with me that the Exodus and Leviticus comparisons are not ironclad evidence either for or against the days being six literal days, right?
There was light, Who is to say that the earth was not rotating about its axis from the very beginning, as long as there is light (which there was) there can be evening and morning.
In the modern heliocentric world a day is seen as a complete rotation of the eart on its axis....The evening and morning are based on the part of the earth that is exposed to light during its rotation. There is no reason to assume that the first three days were not regular days....
Now this really is something. Here you are, saying to me on the one hand that I am reading something into the passage, and then pulling out heliocentric rotation about the earth's axis with the other! Isn't that reading something into the passage, if anything is?
Who told you that day is produced by the Earth's rotation about its axis? Not the Bible, for sure; science told you that. Which doesn't make it wrong, let's get that clear. But it's a bit disingenuous when you import any sort of science you like into interpreting Genesis 1, and then cry foul when evolutionists let their science influence their interpretation.
As far as I'm concerned, when I read Genesis 1, the sun and the moon govern evening and morning. So before the sun and moon were created, who's to say how long evening and morning were, or what they even were?
Why has your entirely Biblical conclusion been affirmed by an extra-biblical source?
Just because some bright guy had the same idea as me doesn't mean the idea isn't from the Bible.
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