Evidence for macro-evolution

[dlamberth]

If you want to parse it, parse it correctly.

1. Both I and YECs claim the universe to be created.

2. YECs claim a young earth, I don't.

When claimed creation happened 6000 years ago, that's a young earth.

Therefore I don't fit all the criteria for YEC.

You're making what I believe into what is called a TRUE BOOLEAN; when, in fact it isn't.



I'll ask again:

If Embedded Age = YEC, does YEC = Embedded Age?

* Embedded Age = age without history

The only timeline I've seen you use is based on Ussher's creation time line of 6000 years. All arguments by you have been based on that timeline. You have steadfastly stood by that timeline and have not budged. That's YEC stuff, totally.

 

[AV1611VET]

The only timeline I've seen you use is based on Ussher's creation time line of 6000 years. All arguments by you have been based on that timeline. You have steadfastly stood by that timeline and have not budged. That's YEC stuff, totally.

QV please:

Today, in contrast to Gosse, young Earth creationists posit that not only is the Earth young but that the scientific data supports that view. However, the apparent age concept is still used in young Earth creationist literature.

SOURCE

 

[Ophiolite]

Today, in contrast to Gosse, young Earth creationists posit that not only is the Earth young but that the scientific data supports that view.

What scientific data supports a young Earth? I see no such data in the link you provided.

 

[dlamberth]

QV please:

Today, in contrast to Gosse, young Earth creationists posit that not only is the Earth young but that the scientific data supports that view. However, the apparent age concept is still used in young Earth creationist literature.

SOURCE

It just seems to me that your trying to wiggle out of what is clear to the rest of us.

 

[AV1611VET]

What scientific data supports a young Earth? I see no such data in the link you provided.

Again, I'm not a YEC, so I don't know it all.

But I'm familiar with the moondust argument (to which I made a thread on years ago), something about the strength of the magnetosphere, and ocean salinity.

 

[AV1611VET]

It just seems to me that your trying to wiggle out of what is clear to the rest of us.

 

[Ophiolite]

Again, I'm not a YEC, so I don't know it all.

But I'm familiar with the moondust argument (to which I made a thread on years ago), something about the strength of the magnetosphere, and ocean salinity.

But you have no sources on any of these?

 

[AV1611VET]

But you have no sources on any of these?

Did you see the part where Gosse said "young Earth creationists posit that not only is the Earth young"?

I, on the other hand, do not posit that the earth is young.

Therefore, according to Gosse, I do not qualify to be a young earth creationist.

 

[Estrid]

When claimed creation happened 6000 years ago, that's a young earth.

The only timeline I've seen you use is based on Ussher's creation time line of 6000 years. All arguments by you have been based on that timeline. You have steadfastly stood by that timeline and have not budged. That's YEC stuff, totally.

You could avoid the nonsense, and deliberate
derails by posting in the physical science thread.

Though you have to patrol diligently lest it ha e to
be closed like my " disprove evolution" thread

 

[AV1611VET]

You could avoid the nonsense, and deliberate derails by posting in the physical science thread.

Or he could stay, and I'll teach him how Embedded Age Creation differs from Young Earth Creationism.

 

[NxNW]

Or he could stay, and I'll teach him how Embedded Age Creation differs from Young Earth Creationism.

A difference that makes no difference is no difference.
-Spock

 

[AV1611VET]

A difference that makes no difference is no difference.
-Spock

Stick around and ask questions.

You might learn something.

It's a shame when those who adhere to the scientific method like their lives depended on it put people on IGNORE.

Accusing us of ignorance, then asking us to explain this and that, while playing No True Scotsman with our answers is disingenuous.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Stick around and ask questions.

You might learn something.

It's a shame when those who adhere to the scientific method like their lives depended on it put people on IGNORE.

Accusing us of ignorance, then asking us to explain this and that, while playing No True Scotsman with our answers is disingenuous.

But your argument of embedded age is still Young Earth Creationism with extra unnecessary steps.

Saying "The Earth was created 6000 years ago but was made to look 14+ billion years old" is just adding a veneer to YEC.

It is a distinction without a difference.

 

[AV1611VET]

Accusing us of ignorance, then asking us to explain this and that, while playing No True Scotsman with our answers is disingenuous.

But your argument of embedded age is still Young Earth Creationism with extra unnecessary steps.

Saying "The Earth was created 6000 years ago but was made to look 14+ billion years old" is just adding a veneer to YEC.

It is a distinction without a difference.

Thanks for the QED.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Thanks for the QED.

Do you or do you not say that God created the Earth and the universe and everything 6000 years ago?

 

[Ophiolite]

A difference that makes no difference is no difference.
-Spock

I beg to differ fundamentally with that assertion, but otherwise am in complete, eternal agreement with it.
-Ophiolite in cognitive dissonance mode

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you or do you not say that God created the Earth and the universe and everything 6000 years ago?

I do.

 

[BCP1928]

Yes, God created the Earth 6000 years ago. But he didn't create a young Earth 6000 years ago. According to AV he created an old Earth. So AV is not a "young Earth" creationist.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I do.

And thus, a young earth with the appearance of age and history. Ipso facto, a YEC you are.

Yes, God created the Earth 6000 years ago. But he didn't create a young Earth 6000 years ago. According to AV he created an old Earth. So AV is not a "young Earth" creationist.

Which is a distinction without a difference. See the Omphalos Hypothesis aka Last Thursdayism.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, God created the Earth 6000 years ago. But he didn't create a young Earth 6000 years ago. According to AV he created an old Earth. So AV is not a "young Earth" creationist.

Correct.

2 Peter 3:5a For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old,