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I mean deliberate misrepresentation of scientific understanding in order to mislead people according to a vested interest, be it political, fiscal or religious.
Try to find some peer reviewed science articles that supports your beliefs.
They are not valid because ID is what they (you and ED) inherently and emotionally have wanted it to be true long before doing any real science; that's just not science, dude.
No, they are not valid because they have been shown to be dishonest hundreds of times.
the context this whole time was premordial soup, not a pharmaceutical lab.
does it still do what you think it would do?
Doesn't it take a lab to produce this?
EternalDragon said:It's simply a different assumption of the same evidence. Because it might point to an ID, an alien, or something else other than evolution it is called a lie.
There is no political, fiscal or religious motivation. Why would a fellow scientist want to mislead anyone? It's about finding the truth and learning about our world.
It's simply a different assumption of the same evidence. Because it might point to an ID, an alien, or something else other than evolution it is called a lie.
There is no political, fiscal or religious motivation. Why would a fellow scientist want to mislead anyone? It's about finding the truth and learning about our world.
They say if new evidence or conclusions change the evolution theory, they would change with it. Well, that doesn't seem to be the case.
there isn't even hundreds of sentences on the page in question, how can you say it's been shown dishonest hundreds of times?
unless your just being dishonest?
I did, scroll back to first page. Then reply to those.
I looked back a few pages and could not see any. Perhaps I missed them.
Please list any one of them again.
It's more than just a different assumption of the same evidence. It is a complete re-defining of basic scientific terms. It is the marketing of the philosophy of ID to fundamentalist church groups even before the research was complete, and there is the research itself.
The research papers take one of three paths. A philosophical overview, and two different styles of reviewing other scientists' work. No original research.
I've read many articles from ID proponents and find what you say to be inaccurate. I doubt you have followed it closely or you would not be insinuating those things.
Perhaps you could provide some examples? Specifically a total re-defining of basic scientific terms. Or perhaps it is the evolution proponents that have hijacked the terms?
I've heard every argument there is from creationist proponents. I'm not being inaccurate: there is NO honest and compelling argument for creationism. As for examples, sure, have three!
Macro/microevolution are not terms used in science. They're creationist terms designed to obfuscate the simple fact that as changes in an organism accumulate the net change increases.
Evolution is frequently misrepresented as abiogenesis, or the idea that if things evolve they only become more complex. This is not what evolution says, as evidenced by Mycoplasma genitalium's "devolution" into a very efficient, adapted bacterial parasite.
Then there's the example of the second law of thermodynamics supposedly invalidating evolution. The "closed system" phrase is dropped from the scientific definition of the law, this being "the net entropy of an closed system never decreases and only increases". As an organism is not a closed system this law is inapplicable, but creationists twist the definition to make their argument seem compelling to those who aren't versed in thermodyamics (pretty much everyone).
I hope you're happy with these points. Now instead of asking me to continually provide you with information, please give me your best argument for creationism.
You went totally off subject. I am speaking about Intelligent Design. Not creationism. None of those points addresses ID theory or their peer reviewed papers or articles or books.
reviewed here:
Pro-Intelligent Design Peer Reviewed Scientific Paper Argues for an "Engineered World" - Evolution News & Views
Peer-Reviewed Scientific Paper Cites Guillermo Gonzalez's Galactic Habitable Zone as Evidence Earth is a Privileged Planet - Evolution News & Views
Scientific Paper Reviews Dembski and Behe's Methods of Detecting Intelligent Design - Evolution News & Views
or this one:
Peer-Reviewed Pro-Intelligent Design Article Endorses Irreducible Complexity - Evolution News & Views
There are many more pro-ID peer-reviewed scientific papers listed at:
CSC - Peer-Reviewed & Peer-Edited Scientific Publications Supporting the Theory of Intelligent Design (Annotated)
many listed here:
http://www.christianforums.com/t7541282-24/#post58029153
what if I c&p all the quotes tothis page then what would you say? Something different or something similiar just pointed at me?
What experiments did they do to test ID hypotheses?
evolution news and views reviews the peer reviewed documents, they are linked in the links I gave.Evolution News and Views is not a peer reviewed journal. It is a creaitonist website.
Evolution News & Views, Discovery Insitute, and this forum are not peer reviewed journals.
I'm not sure what you are saying here, Grady??
read it it's free
Evolution news and views reviews the peer reviewed documents, they are linked in the links I gave.
the are lists of peer reviews on the discovery institute pages. You just have to get off your fanny and look.
I am saying is how can a page of quotes be false?
IF I were to post them here would I be false too?
After all they are other peoples words.
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