In the future, could you please format your posts in a way that makes them easy to quote?
Inan3 said:
It was for me because I think that is what pulls the strings in Scienceville.
So you think the source of funding affects the outcome of research? Energy companies (and every other company that employs scientists) want their science to be as close as is possible to being correct, regardless of whether the result of that science is what they were expecting, or even what they wanted. Would it be of any benefit for a petroleum geologist to tell their company something that wasn't supported by reality? No! The company would act on the geologist's advice, see that he was wrong, and boot him out the door for costing them millions. Models that most closely fit reality are the ones that survive. Call it evolution.
You see I see it as a system not just a one on one base. When I say politics I'm not talking about a political party. I am say the system of how things work out there in the world. It works just the same no matter what field you go to. It's a system and it's a system against God.
This is just rubbish. How could science, which is mute on the subject of God, be
against God?
Tell me why they call it "old earth" model.
I call it an old earth model because that is what the geologic model postulates, as well as to differentiate it from the 'flood geology' model, which generally postulates a young earth, or at least a recent flood.
My evidence is the Bible and it is not fallible.
But your
interpretation of it is.
I know that sounds so unrealistic to your mind but when you see it all from the perspective of God it all relates and intertwines.
And you've got the good fortune to have the 'perspective of God'? Forgive me if I think that that sounds a bit blasphemous.
I also recognize you aren't going to accept that stance but I still have to let you know what I am standing on and why. I don't think the Bible is just a bunch of dos and don'ts. It goes much deeper into the whole of Creation.
Thank you.
Every science is covered, every religion, the financial system, education, it is all in God. Without God we don't have the full perspective. God must be first in the equation.
All of those things are
not covered though. Where does the bible mention geology, biochemistry, or mechanical engineering? Where does it mention the stock market, state colleges, or Buddhism? Just because you want it to be there, and because you can pick out verses that you think cover these things doesn't mean the bible actually addresses them.
No, just to show you that the whole thing is steeped in power and money and the drive and aim for both.
And Christianity is not? Is that why the church spent and spends so much time earning and maintaining its tax-exempt status? My dear, nearly everything that humans do is about money and power.
Just because the figure in one is not as great as the other, don't think that they are not diversified and entwined with each other. It is all about the quest for power not so much for the search for data and truth about the origins of the earth.
Whether not the express purpose of geologic research is a better understanding of Earth's processes, that goal is a wonderful side effect.
That has nothing to do with our lives. These guys don't really care.
I strongly disagree on both counts. If you care not about how the only planet we have to live on functions, that is your shortfall. I for one will remain infinitely curious.
They use guys like you for your idealism and believe me when they are done with you they will throw you away. It's all about them and their objectives and that is money and power.
I'm no idealist. I understand how both academia and industry work, and they're not nearly as scary as you think. You're more than welcome to be afraid of ambition, but please excuse me if I am not.
Now in between you and them are all these other guys who are fighting to get some of that. They've gone through the idealism and most of the curiosity, now it's about, their families and their income and recognition (power and money on a smaller scale).
Building a comfortable life for yourself and your family is unjustifiable? Is this the point you're trying to make, because it sure sounds like it.
In the end it is all vanity. Vanity of vanities. You can't take it with you and you leave it to someone who will probably not spend it the way you intended for it to be spent. Someone with different values and ideals. Someone just the opposite of you perhaps. Then after your loved ones are all gone you will be forgotten with the masses unless, of course, if you wrote a particularly good paper or book, you will be remembered for awhile but then along comes the new guys with better and bigger etc. etc. That's how it's all been and we all just go with the flow. I don't see it going that far anymore. It's about to all come to an end.
Wow. What a rant. It can't be fun to be so negative, to hold so little stock in humanity.
God will always be there but Scienceville will not. Enjoy Scienceville but LIVE in God.
Your 'Scienceville' caricature is a waste. We always caricaturize our enemies. Please don't make the mistake of thinking science is yours. After all, it's the only reason you're here.
That is your only hope of ETERNAL life. Your enjoyment of science and exploration need not end it is going on and you can go with it but not without God.
Please do not try to force your version of God upon me.
I never said I'm convinced they are wrong. It's the system I question.
You do so without understanding the system.
Part of that system is what is accepted and what is rejected and why it is. Today's science is definitely a belief system. It is full of doctrine and rules and regulations that you must follow to be a part of it.
Care to elaborate on what these 'doctrines and rules and regulations' are?
If you believe in that system you are acceptable if not you are a "joker." You have been properly taught and you believe it. It's a job don't take it so seriously. It's just a job!!
It's not a job, it's a method of understanding.
