Every corner I see more of this on the rise.

[Jesusismyking87!!]

1) The Word of God Himself promised us a Comforter; this is a big deal, and I won't go into why it is now.

2) The Most High God Himself will put His laws on our minds and in our hearts, and we will be His people, and He will be our God.

3) The Word of God Himself told us that an edifice is not necessary; where two or more are gathered He is in the midst. Fellowship happens with our Father and Redeemer first, and then with our spiritual brothers and sisters.

4) The Most High God said plenty of times that even His people will be suffer many trials and tribulations. Prosperity preaching is poor training at best, and possibly damning in general. Mammon is one of the most influential gods the world worships; we were told in history several times not to worship this entity. Our ability to telegraph reality into a more acceptable vector does not negate the severity of ignoring that reality - as it is.

I agree with you my friend.

I love everyone but lately the holy spirit has shaken me a little bit with what man is attempting to do with Gods word and that's fit the political likeness of it rather than what it truly tells us. So much that I have been accused of flaming for calling out the church of hillsong. Latley I feel and see God being removed from our churches and the pocket books taking his place.

 

[Tanj]

I would think if going in with the parents of a sick child with their permission many children there are prayed for.

We always add to our prayers, If It Be Your Will God.

M-Bob

Are these prayers somehow more effective if done at the hospital? If so why? Is it that you want to be seen praying? If hubris is your goal, take it somewhere else. Otherwise, since I am pretty sure the Bible makes no mention of a spacial component to prayer efficacy, do it at home. That way the numerous children and parents that do NOT want to be prayed for do not have to be subjected to your religion.

 

[Kaon]

I agree with you my friend.

I love everyone but lately the holy spirit has shaken me a little bit with what man is attempting to do with Gods word and that's fit the political likeness of it rather than what it truly tells us. So much that I have been accused of flaming for calling out the church of hillsong. Latley I feel and see God being removed from our churches and the pocket books taking his place.

In the end (now...for thousands of years), you will only have your Father, and your Brother the Redeemer. Every human is sovereign under the Most High God, and every human is responsible for the spiritual trajectory of their lives. We cannot say someone else lead us astray, or that we were swindled into false teachings - especially if we have seen or heard.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

It's a goat call to the Faith Healers we have many that need healing right here.

Where are they needed in Lakeside San Diego.

M-Bob

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

Prosperity preaching. At first when I was a young Christian I use to get excited for those TBN sermons. But over time as I grew a little older and with my relationship with Yeshua. I begin to realize how misleading some of these prosperity preachers are. Well not some but all, I start to realize they begin to leave out actual key scriptures and basically base the so called teaching off get rich quick type motivational talks. I am curious what everyone else's input about this.

And also how can one be on the look out to make sure ones church isn't a prosperity teaching church.

Some in every camp are very misleading. It's not just TBN preachers. I've known Baptists who will get you saved, by golly, but they don't have any love. I've known Methodists who just skipped scripture, basically telling you to "be good people". I've known Catholics of all varieties, from hardcore sold out to Jesus, to just going through the motions.

So I just trust the Holy Spirit. Sometimes they are right on, sometimes, things veer a bit. God does want you to prosper, as we are told repeatedly in scripture. It just may not come the way you expect nor look the way you think.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

I don't believe that.
In order to grow in Christ and to shrink our self there's nothing better than misery and challenges in life.
That's why we should be thankful for our hard times.
God prefers to see us come to Him broken and exhausted.
Worldly prosperity makes us self assured and self centred, proud and arrogant.
Our treasure lies in God's Kingdom.
We are strangers on earth.

Yeah, that'll preach.
I believe it's true though..

Oh hard times are going to come, but this isn't His Will for us to experience this any more than it is your will that your children go through hard times. If we would all just listen perfectly to Our Father and not sin, we would be in perfect peace and doing well and always have abundantly above all we could ask or think. Trials come "if necessary", the Word tells us. 1 Peter 1:6-7 In this you rejoice, though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been grieved by various trials, 7 so that the tested genuineness of your faith—more precious than gold that perishes though it is tested by fire—may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Prosperity CAN make one proud and arrogant. But if one's issue isn't the love of money but maybe something else, a person can certainly have a lot of money, do a lot of good for others, and still be broken and come to the Lord in his other areas of struggle. Sometimes there is this idea that God wants everyone to be suffering and poor, and that's just not true, and who would help those who are, if that were the case. Rich people financed Jesus and the Apostles, the Word tells us many times. So don't discount them as if they are sinful because they have money (maybe you are not, but I have heard some of that and think it is in error).

 

[seeking.IAM]

I think anyone who goes into Christianity for what they can get out of it is seriously misguided. It should be about Whom we follow, obey, adore, and serve. It's not about winning a prize.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I think anyone who goes into Christianity for what they can get out of it is seriously misguided. It should be about Whom we follow, obey, adore, and serve. It's not about winning a prize.

If that were true, I'ld expect there to be no talk of all this heaven and hell business.
A reward, is a prize you know...

 

[Mountainmanbob]

If we would all just listen perfectly to Our Father and not sin, we would be in perfect peace and doing well and always have abundantly above all we could ask or think.

I've known plenty of born-again good Christians that would not agree with your message.

Sounds like a form of the prosperity Gospel?
M-Bob

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

I've known plenty of born-again good Christians that would not agree with your message.

Sounds like a form of the prosperity Gospel?
M-Bob

No. Just Bible.

Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope.

Joshua 1:8 This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success.

Psalm 1:3 He is like a tree planted by streams of water that yields its fruit in its season, and its leaf does not wither. In all that he does, he prospers.

Proverbs 10:22 The blessing of the Lord makes rich, and he adds no sorrow with it.

Proverbs 3:9-10 Honor the Lord with your wealth and with the firstfruits of all your produce; then your barns will be filled with plenty, and your vats will be bursting with wine.

Proverbs 3: 1-2 My son, do not forget my teaching, but let your heart keep my commandments, for length of days and years of life and peace they will add to you.

Hebrews 11: 6 And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.


Goodness...there are SO many scriptures that assure us that God wants good things for us. Of course there will be persecutions if we are truly walking with him, and hits from the enemy. It may not always look like we hope, and there are definitely periods deep in the valley...but in the end, He is working it all out for our good. We are to be of good cheer, for He has overcome the world.

Much of the bad stuff that happens isn't even from the enemy, so much as it is from people - as in robbing employees/the poor to plaster leaders with gold, poisoning the earth so people get sick, in furtherance of chemical production of all kinds, etc.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

I think anyone who goes into Christianity for what they can get out of it is seriously misguided. It should be about Whom we follow, obey, adore, and serve. It's not about winning a prize.

Of course it is about Whom we follow and walking in faith and not by sight (sight is really discouraging when you look around!). But it is SO important to know what the Word says as well or better than those telling you what is says. Because there is a lot of distortion out there in all directions.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

No. Just Bible.

Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope.

Joshua 1:8 This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success.

Psalm 1:3 He is like a tree planted by streams of water that yields its fruit in its season, and its leaf does not wither. In all that he does, he prospers.

Proverbs 10:22 The blessing of the Lord makes rich, and he adds no sorrow with it.

Proverbs 3:9-10 Honor the Lord with your wealth and with the firstfruits of all your produce; then your barns will be filled with plenty, and your vats will be bursting with wine.

Proverbs 3: 1-2 My son, do not forget my teaching, but let your heart keep my commandments, for length of days and years of life and peace they will add to you.

Hebrews 11: 6 And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.


Goodness...there are SO many scriptures that assure us that God wants good things for us. Of course there will be persecutions if we are truly walking with him, and hits from the enemy. It may not always look like we hope, and there are definitely periods deep in the valley...but in the end, He is working it all out for our good. We are to be of good cheer, for He has overcome the world.

Much of the bad stuff that happens isn't even from the enemy, so much as it is from people - as in robbing employees/the poor to plaster leaders with gold, poisoning the earth so people get sick, in furtherance of chemical production of all kinds, etc.

Paul Washer states that one should be able to carry the message deep into the jungles to the little native that (will never have anything) and share the gospel with them it will not be the Prosperity Gospel.

M-Bob

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

Paul Washer states that one should be able to carry the message deep into the jungles to the little native that (will never have anything) and share the gospel with them it will not be the Prosperity Gospel.

M-Bob

It is NOT a "prosperity gospel".

It is just the gospel, the Good News. That is just a tiny fraction of it, just like giving is a fraction of it, and faith is a fraction of it, and evangelizing is a fraction of it, and understanding demonic stuff is a fraction of it. This is why the Church is so splintered. People decide to excise different parts from their beliefs because they heard of some extremist or something.

It is all still real and all still true. We walk by faith and not by sight.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Your best life now?

Sounds like the Prosperity Gospel?

What's the other one God wants favor in your life?
Tell that Job.

Or to my 59 year old Christian cousin who just died couple weeks ago from cancer.

M-Bob

 

[durangodawood]

Mountains of money is a lot more attractive than the sermon on the mount.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Mountains of money is a lot more attractive than the sermon on the mount.

Only to the non-believer.
M-Bob

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

Your best life now?

Sounds like the Prosperity Gospel?

What's the other one God wants favor in your life?
Tell that Job.

Or to my 59 year old Christian cousin who just died couple weeks ago from cancer.

M-Bob

I do not understand the first sentence. What do you mean, "your best life now"?

I am very familiar with Job.

I'm sorry about your cousin. I've lost everyone in my family (except one remaining sib across the country).

It is horrible that we have poisoned the earth, the food, and the water in pursuit of money, and so many suffer as collateral damage.

 

[PreviouslySeeking...]

Um, Christianity tries to sell itself to non believers based on a prosperity gospel.

I guess you guys can't see it, but you approach people who don't believe, telling them that they are lost in the darkness and that if they believe in God - their life will change for the better. Suddenly they will see. They will no longer be alone. God will take care of them.

Each church has a different "better" that they push, but it all sounds like a prosperity gospel to non believers. You are making promises to people based off of your assumptions of what they are wanting/needing. Love, community, security and etc. The money guys take it one step further but most evangelists are doing the same thing from my perspective.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Um, Christianity tries to sell itself to non believers based on a prosperity gospel.

I guess you guys can't see it, but you approach people who don't believe, telling them that they are lost in the darkness and that if they believe in God - their life will change for the better. Suddenly they will see. They will no longer be alone. God will take care of them.

Each church has a different "better" that they push, but it all sounds like a prosperity gospel to non believers. You are making promises to people based off of your assumptions of what they are wanting/needing. Love, community, security and etc. The money guys take it one step further but most evangelists are doing the same thing from my perspective.

Actually the gospel is for the one that believes they are a dirty sinner and should be going to the hot place.

And maybe for the ones that pray God please have mercy on me a sinner.

M-Bob

 

[seeking.IAM]

Actually the gospel is for the one that believes they are a dirty sinner and should be going to the hot place.

And maybe for the ones that pray God please have mercy on me a sinner.

M-Bob

It seems to be rather self-serving if one's only reason to become Christian is to avoid going to "the hot place." Is not God worthy to be worshipped, followed, and obeyed even in the absence of a reward at the end of the journey?