Ever been a part of a Jewish observance?

[God_Owned]

I wonder, do you feel the same way about the 10 commandments? That by not stealing or not lying we are somehow "exercising the Law" or "serving the Law"?

If you are operating love you won't break the ten commandments.

We aren't to celebrate Passover ether. We are to take Communion.

Oh, so it's wrong to do what Jesus did, the way He did?

Jesus never participated in Passover once He gave communion. I don't recall that He ever participated in Passover. This may in fact be an assumption. At any rate, Communion is not Passover. Passover was a legalistic forerunner of Communion and is no longer necessary, except maybe for a Catholic.

If you read through my posts, you will see I have repeatedly stated that one's salvation in no way depended on whether they did or did not celebrate the Feasts. I made no statements at all that any righteousness was gained from keeping the Feasts, only that we could learn from them.

What you stated way that it is OK to participate in the legalized feasts of the OT. I'll make this easy for you. I'm WOF! You're Catholic!

What I find most amusing in this post in particular is that you state it is "Catholic legalism", when in fact 1)most Catholics know very little about the Feasts of Israel, much less celebrate them and 2) my stance is actually the "free-est" of the views presented. I love how every time someone disagrees with me theologically, it gets blamed on "Catholicism", instead of actually addressing the myriad of scriptures I posted to support my view.

You know about then and seemingly think it is OK to encourage others to become entangled in them. Is that humorous to you Sir?

 

[God_Owned]

This is an excellent point! Everything we are instructed for us to do in the New Testiment IS in the OT. So, everytime we do anything written in scripture we are exercising His instructions (commonly called the law)....and THAT IS NOT ERROR!

Error is expecting that observance to save you. Or expecting that keeping that observance makes one a better Christian. Such as many believe that reading one's Bible every day makes them a better Christian than any who do not read it every day.

It's legalism to tell anyone they "have" to observe the feasts. It's also legalism to tell someone they "can't".

Where are you told to drink the blood and eat the flesh of Jesus in the OT?

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

I won't be posting anymore on the subject, but to say that what you said that it might even be life changing. Observing feasts, rituals, and laws is not capable of changing a life. That's why Jesus came to begin with.

For me anything that causes me to understand more deeply what God has done or is doing is life changing. The ritual itself does not change me, God does.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Where are you told to drink the blood and eat the flesh of Jesus in the OT?

Jesus was partaking of a Passover meal when He said those words. So the answer to your question is "in the Passover". Jesus said, "when you do this, (meaning the Passover meal) remember ME" The wine represents His shed blood and the bread represents His body.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Jesus never participated in Passover once He gave communion. I don't recall that He ever participated in Passover. This may in fact be an assumption. At any rate, Communion is not Passover. Passover was a legalistic forerunner of Communion and is no longer necessary, except maybe for a Catholic.

Um, Jesus never celebrated Passover again because He'd died on the cross and risen up to heaven. All the other disciples though celebrated Passover every year, and when they took the cup and ate the bread they remembered Him...just as He instructed.

 

[God_Owned]

Um, Jesus never celebrated Passover again because He'd died on the cross and risen up to heaven. All the other disciples though celebrated Passover every year, and when they took the cup and ate the bread they remembered Him...just as He instructed.

Passover is the forerunner of Communion. Communion is not Passover nor is it celebrated the same way as Passover.

Living under the law voids what Christ did for you. Exercising the law is living under the law. If you live under on part of the law you are obligated to fulfill the whole law. The Jews who went back under the law fell away from the faith.

 

[God_Owned]

Jesus was partaking of a Passover meal when He said those words. So the answer to your question is "in the Passover". Jesus said, "when you do this, (meaning the Passover meal) remember ME" The wine represents His shed blood and the bread represents His body.

The meal was prepared, but there is no record of his actually participating in it. Why should He.. he was the Passover lamb. This is what Communion is about.

Passover is under the law. If you practice it,the you are exercising the law of the OT and void the sacrifice of Jesus in the NT.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Where are you told to drink the blood and eat the flesh of Jesus in the OT?

Passover is the forerunner of Communion. Communion is not Passover nor is it celebrated the same way as Passover.

Living under the law voids what Christ did for you. Exercising the law is living under the law. If you live under on part of the law you are obligated to fulfill the whole law. The Jews who went back under the law fell away from the faith.

Yes, that is what many churches teach, but they are incorrect.

To live under the law means that one is expecting keeping of the law to save them from their sins. Keeping the law cannot save us. Salvation comes only through the Lord. I am trusting in Jesus Christ alone for my salvation. Are you saying that because I like to partake of a Passover meal in the same way Jesus did that I am not saved? According to scripture, anyone who trusts in their works (reading the Bible everyday, getting people saved, getting people healed, etc) to save them is not saved. But all who call on the name of the Lord are saved.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

The meal was prepared, but there is no record of his actually participating in it. Why should He.. he was the Passover lamb. This is what Communion is about.

Passover is under the law. If you practice it,the you are exercising the law of the OT and void the sacrifice of Jesus in the NT.

Excuse me? Have you read your Bible? His participation was when he "sang a hymn", "took the cup", "broke the bread", "dipped in the same bowl as Judas". HELLO!!!!

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

The meal was prepared, but there is no record of his actually participating in it. Why should He.. he was the Passover lamb. This is what Communion is about.

Passover is under the law. If you practice it,the you are exercising the law of the OT and void the sacrifice of Jesus in the NT.

Ok, then when you practice not murdering, lying, stealing, committing adultery, fornicating, loving God, honoring your mother and father, etc., you are exercising the law of the OT and void the sacrifice of Jesus in the NT.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

I'll bow out of the conversation now. I was just meaning to do a little fellowshipping by sharing my experiences to the OP. I did not expect that I would be told I'm going to hell all because I like to observe a feast. Like I've said I don't expect my observance to save me...only the blood of Jesus does that.

 

[God_Owned]

Excuse me? Have you read your Bible? His participation was when he "took the cup", "broke the bread", "dipped in the same bowl as Judas". HELLO!!!!

Ouch!. You may have a different version of the Bible than I, but this is what my good King James says.

Exodus 12
21Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel, and said unto them, Draw out and take you a lamb according to your families, and kill the passover.
22And ye shall take a bunch of hyssop, and dip it in the blood that is in the bason, and strike the lintel and the two side posts with the blood that is in the bason; and none of you shall go out at the door of his house until the morning.
23For the LORD will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the LORD will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you.
24And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and to thy sons for ever.
25And it shall come to pass, when ye be come to the land which the LORD will give you, according as he hath promised, that ye shall keep this service.
26And it shall come to pass, when your children shall say unto you, What mean ye by this service?
27That ye shall say, It is the sacrifice of the LORD's passover, who passed over the houses of the children of Israel in Egypt, when he smote the Egyptians, and delivered our houses. And the people bowed the head and worshipped.


Now this would be Communion. It says Jesus sat with them but it does not say he ate with them. I'll let you see if you can see the difference between Communion in the NT and the Passover in the OT verses above.

Matthew 26
20Now when the even was come, he sat down with the twelve.
21And as they did eat, he said, Verily I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.
22And they were exceeding sorrowful, and began every one of them to say unto him, Lord, is it I?
23And he answered and said, He that dippeth his hand with me in the dish, the same shall betray me.
24The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.
25Then Judas, which betrayed him, answered and said, Master, is it I? He said unto him, Thou hast said.
26And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
27And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Now would you mind showing me what you've been reading? Maybe I need to see it.

 

[God_Owned]

Ok, then when you practice not murdering, lying, stealing, committing adultery, fornicating, loving God, honoring your mother and father, etc., you are exercising the law of the OT and void the sacrifice of Jesus in the NT.

You don't seem to understand the law of love. If you love someone, ou won't do muder, steal lie, etc.

 

[God_Owned]

I'll bow out of the conversation now. I was just meaning to do a little fellowshipping by sharing my experiences to the OP. I did not expect that I would be told I'm going to hell all because I like to observe a feast. Like I've said I don't expect my observance to save me...only the blood of Jesus does that.

I didn't write the Bible nor did I tell you that you are going to hell. I don't want to see you go to hell, but you might want to check what the NT says about those Christians who fall back under the law. If you don't like what the book of Galatians says, then you can take it up with God because I didn't write it.

 

[PastorMike]

Gal. 3:11-12 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

You are either under the Law or under Faith... you can't do both...

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Ouch!. You may have a different version of the Bible than I, but this is what my good King James says.

Exodus 12
21Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel, and said unto them, Draw out and take you a lamb according to your families, and kill the passover.
22And ye shall take a bunch of hyssop, and dip it in the blood that is in the bason, and strike the lintel and the two side posts with the blood that is in the bason; and none of you shall go out at the door of his house until the morning.
23For the LORD will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the LORD will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you.
24And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and to thy sons for ever.
25And it shall come to pass, when ye be come to the land which the LORD will give you, according as he hath promised, that ye shall keep this service.
26And it shall come to pass, when your children shall say unto you, What mean ye by this service?
27That ye shall say, It is the sacrifice of the LORD's passover, who passed over the houses of the children of Israel in Egypt, when he smote the Egyptians, and delivered our houses. And the people bowed the head and worshipped.


Now this would be Communion. It says Jesus sat with them but it does not say he ate with them. I'll let you see if you can see the difference between Communion in the NT and the Passover in the OT verses above.

Matthew 26
20Now when the even was come, he sat down with the twelve.
21And as they did eat, he said, Verily I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.
22And they were exceeding sorrowful, and began every one of them to say unto him, Lord, is it I?
23And he answered and said, He that dippeth his hand with me in the dish, the same shall betray me.
24The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.
25Then Judas, which betrayed him, answered and said, Master, is it I? He said unto him, Thou hast said.
26And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
27And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Now would you mind showing me what you've been reading? Maybe I need to see it.

Ah, that is the problem. You have confused the actual event of the Passover with the Passover meal. Exodus 12 is the event of the Jews putting the blood on the doorposts so their eldest sons would not die. Matthew 26 was a Passover meal that is done in remembrance of that deliverance. The remembrance is just that...a remembrance.

To say that Jesus did not eat is quite an interesting twist of the English language. Everything Jesus did was all part of a Passover meal. If I were to say "Godown sat down with the twelve. And as they did eat, he said," that would in no way imply that you did not eat. They ate...including Jesus. When the host serves His guests the host eats too. At a Passover meal, the host pours the wine and breaks the bread, but the host eats too. I'm pretty sure there would have been quite a commotion if the host did not eat too. Jesus did not serve communion He served a Passover meal.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Gal. 3:11-12 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

You are either under the Law or under Faith... you can't do both...

It seems that people here are just not listening. I have noticed this all my life in the Christian church. I am saying the same things you are. I am agreeing with you.

I do not disagree with your statement. I am living by faith. Keeping the law, which I'm not able to do anyway, does not save me. I do not depend upon it. I depend upon the Lord Jesus Christ, His shed blood for me and His resurrection. Scripture says, "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved". Nowhere does it say "believe as everyone else or you will nullify what Jesus did and not be saved"

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

I didn't write the Bible nor did I tell you that you are going to hell. I don't want to see you go to hell, but you might want to check what the NT says about those Christians who fall back under the law. If you don't like what the book of Galatians says, then you can take it up with God because I didn't write it.

In saying that I'm nullifying what Jesus did for me you are saying I'm going to hell. I am doing what God has led me to do. I'm following what HE has put on my heart to do. I am not under the law. I do not depend upon keeping it (as if I could) so that I will be saved. Keeping the law does not save me. The shed blood of Jesus saves me.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

You don't seem to understand the law of love. If you love someone, ou won't do muder, steal lie, etc.

....and if you don't love someone???? What keeps you from murdering them, stealing from them, lying, etc.? I emagine it is your love for God. I understand the law of love.

By not murdering, stealing, lie, etc, we are instinctively following the law of God given via Moses. Whether we want to call it law or not does not change the fact that it is a keeping of the law....just that it's written on our hearts instead of tablets of stone. Either way...it's law. Keeping it does not give us salvation though.

Anyway, I feel that in fairness to the OP we ought to get this back on track. The OP was asking for experiences on Jewish observances. Mine have all been positive and have helped me understand more fully what Jesus did for me. Thank you Jesus!

 

[FrankFaith]

You don't seem to understand the law of love...

You don't seem to see that you are preaching to the choir, judging others, and refusing Holy Spirit's gentile tug. What does Phil 4:8 say about Love? I kindly submit that your finger pointing/judging and refusal to be kind is the byproduct of possessing eyes that cannot see; ears that cannot hear.

Do you embrace Love or your own desire to be heard? If Love is your God, then Love.

I invite you to continue to participate in this thread--please do, in Love. I can see that you are very knowledgeable in the subject you are discussing here. May I ask that you place kindness above your desire to be heard here, however--please place others first. *Faith comes by hearing and functions through Love--If you are correct in all you are saying, a kind word spoken in Love will bring Belief in Truth: believe the Word--this is what scripture says. Faith comes by hearing and functions through Love.

Love is the fuel that allows the faith/Belief engine to work.

*You are not immune to getting tripped up like this, just as I am not--so please feel free to drop me a friendly reminder that without Love I have nothing whenever you notice me pouncing on someone in anger. Like I said--I have a hard head!