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Yes it happened. BUT, you claim it didn't happen like the account presented in Genesis says it happened.
You had said, "A great many Christians don't see the creation stories as the "foundation of Christianity."
So, Adams fall and the need to be delivered from the falls consequences isn't foundational to christianity?
Evolutionism does away with the fall. Your "It doesn't matter when it happened, it happened" reply CLEARLY demonstrates you have no idea as to when and why the fall occurred. You've exchanged the truth of Genesis for the lies of evolution the moment you decided to filter the bible through evolutionism.
How do you read the words of Genesis and NOT take away a six literal day creation. Then, reading further, have it confirmed in later scripture?Why do some Christians think that regarding the Bible they do not need to put any effort into cultural background study and can simply read it in their (American) way.
Will you ever explain how man fell? When man fell? Why man fell?The two Genesis stories (which do not agree) are allegories. They do not tell us how it was done, but they do tell us that God created everything and at some point man fell.
When asked if the ax floated you replied back with...
It seems as if Archivist would deny this account:
2 Kings 6:5 But as one was felling a log, his axe head fell into the water, and he cried out, “Alas, my master! It was borrowed.” 6 Then the man of God said, “Where did it fall?” When he showed him the place, he cut off a stick and threw it in there and made the iron float. 7 And he said, “Take it up.” So he reached out his hand and took it.
I find it hard to converse with christians who don't believe their bible. Perhaps I'm wrong, but how do you justify the ax not floating?
Actually I was at a program at the State planetarium a number of years back, and the presenter said that it was probably a comet.So no allegory games in the NT. OK. just curious, for someone that denies Eve was a real woman made from a man by God, do you think there was really darkness when Jesus died for what was it three hours? Do you think that there really was a guiding star at the time of His birth?
Will you ever explain how man fell? When man fell? Why man fell?
I couldn't quite follow your line of thought. I believe you are saying the SDA invented the YEC position then in your next quote tell us the SDA said you can't have a 24 hour day interpretation?
Evolutionism has not been directly observed.
unless you want to consider the mixing of dog breeds as evolution
or the loss of information as evolutionism
YEC's understand micro-evolutionism such as speciation events have occured and do occur.
On the other hand there is no direct evidence of macro-evolution.
You also mentioned "In fact, we know humans have evolved since the first two. " No, not really true.
I believe a better term would be humans have de-evolved.
One would think Adam and Eve were created with 100% functioning DNA...
.as they were created "very good"...
Except I didn't say that. Please stop making such false accusations.
21 So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh. 22 And the rib that the LORD God had taken from the man he madeh into a woman and brought her to the man. 23 Then the man said,
“This at last is bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called Woman,
because she was taken out of Man.”
In the above you can click on the links for the word rib and bone.
When you study a word you need to read around the verse to obtain the proper nuance. That's why I linked you to rib and bone. You do know a rib is a bone?
The verse uses terminology such as "closed up its place with flesh" and "taken out of" should help you understand it was a rib and not Adams side.
But it really matters not....if it was Adams "side" according to the bible it happened and wasn't allegorical. Sure, we can assign an allegorical meaning to the formation of Eve from Adams rib, that is the equality, the one flesh and all that goes along with it but you fail to realize is that the allegory is based upon and reflects an actual event that once happened in history.
I wonder if YECs ever realize that inventing weird ideas for other people makes Christians distrust them.
What you fail to realize is that Eve was made from Adams rib and the account was literal and historical THEN the allegoric or metaphoric meaning was derived from that event.
You on the other hand keep saying the account didn't happen every time you label the event as allegoric or metaphoric. The event literally and historically occurred THEN the allegoric or metaphoric meaning was derived from that event.
You said you posted links, I visited them. The first was from Got Questions who said God made Eve in this fashion...THEN...told us why. Many people have then assigned allegoric or metaphoric meaning to the why God did it that way.
I do find it ironic that you would use Got Questions considering they have this belief "The Bible clearly presents Adam and Eve as literal people who existed in a literal Garden of Eden." They go on to say "Christians who deny the story of Adam and Eve essentially deny their own faith."
You mean like inventing all things having the same ancestor?I wonder if YECs ever realize that inventing weird ideas for other people makes Christians distrust them.
You mean like inventing all things having the same ancestor?
Nobody corrects God. We correct only you and your reading/using of Genesis.
So I guess the fish are from dust too. Ha.Animals are also from the dust (= mortal). They have also the spirit (breath) of life. They are also living creatures (= souls).
The only diff is that man bears the image of God and authority over them.
When your supposed understanding claims that there was no woman taken from a man by God, but that, instead, she had ancestors that were the same ones as banana trees and cockroaches, you are not understanding the bible, or the Author, or the men He used to write it. You are just doubting and insulting and overruling them.Understanding the authors of Genesis is not unbelief in Genesis, its just an unbelief in wrong, modern, SDA reading of Genesis.
So the ax head floated?That happened. You didn't asked about a specific reference in the Bible, so I presumed that you were talking about a modern ax head. If I go out on the street and ask people "do ax heads float," every person will say "of course not." I don't know of one who will say, "well, in 2 Kings..."
But I do believe my Bible.
edit....Actually I was at a program at the State planetarium a number of years back, and the presenter said that it was probably a comet.
You are welcome to your own ideas, no matter how weird. You are not welcome to say the bible says so.So true. Their attitude semms to be that when the facts are against you, just start throwing insults. The sad thing is that I have said in my thread that they we free to have their interpretation, but that apparently isn't good enough if I refuse to adopt the same ideas.
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