Evanglism

[PentecostalEvangelist]

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[Bulldog]

Yes I am 53 years old, and I've been stupid every moment, of each, and everyday of all of those 53 years, maturity is honestly facing up to very real facts about yourself, and I know for a certain fact that I am STUPID.

If anyone needs to apologize, I do, and I sincerely do apologize, to you,. and to everyone, as I said, I know I am wrong, and I know I will always be wrong, no matter what, even if I posted Bible verses I would be wrong, the verses would certainly NOT be wrong, BUT I would always be wrong in someway or another.

BTW I do NOT have a testimony of HOW I came to be saved, because IT never happened, and IT never will.......

PE, there's no need to be sarcastic. Reformed folks aren't notorius "you're going to hell because you don't agree with all our doctrines" type of people, and we'll be glad to answer any questions you have about Reformed theology. But please don't flame our forums, it's not beneficial to either of us.

 

[PentecostalEvangelist]

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[Beoga]

I'm not going to hell because I do not agree with your doctrine, I'm going there because I cannot be one of the elect, it is absolutely impossible for me to ever be one of the elect.

How do you know this?
What is your purpose for coming in here?

 

[PentecostalEvangelist]

I have been banned......

 

[rnmomof7]

I have been banned......

No you have not or you could not post here.

 

[PentecostalEvangelist]

Just being Biblical, you know, calling those things that are not, as though they are....

 

[JJB]

PE, are you doubting your salvation? Do you want assurance? Pray for it, my friend.

 

[cygnusx1]

I have been banned......

No you have not or you could not post here. rnmomof7

Just being Biblical, you know, calling those things that are not, as though they are.... PentecostalEvangelist

ROFL

 

[BBAS 64]

Typical NON Christian Sarcastic hateful CALVINIST attitude....

I wonder how you consider this a fellowship post.

 

[reformedfan]

Antman--Neither the apostles nor Calvinists ask anyone,"would you like to accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour." That is going beyond the bounds assigned to us; intruding into the territory reserved for the Holy Spirit.

The very idea that the work of regeneration is dependent upon any man's authority is blasphemy. The Holy Spirit quickens whom He will. We can only hear the sound of the wind but cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So is everyone born of the Spirit!

Ritualistic incantations such as the "sinners prayer" formulary substitution for the Holy Spirit's work of regeneration---that type of evangelism---is the reason the church is held in such low esteem today, and membership roles are full of unregenerate people, most of whom stay home,and never dare stand up for Jesus before this wicked generation. Its mantras and incantations have absolutely no power. It is the same thing as the incantations of witchcraft and by it many souls are deceived.

i agree with this. Just tell 'em the Gospel, leave the results to God: if they are the elect, they will convert in God's timing.

 

[Fatty]

i agree with this. Just tell 'em the Gospel, leave the results to God: if they are the elect, they will convert in God's timing.

OK, let's see an example of what you think is an acceptable presentation of the BIBLICALLY sound, uncompromised, life changing Full Gospel message of the cross of Jesus Christ, as it should be properly presented to a lost person who has never heard anythign about God in his/her life.

I would like to see that posted here, just so everyone will really see what you would tell someone when attempting to bring them into whatever it really is you witness to the lost about, in fact, why not pretend I am an unsaved person, how would you go about telling me about your Gospel, whatever it is, here's your chance reformed go for it!

Don't put me to though, I don't care about your denominational doctrinal theology....

 

[CoffeeSwirls]

Well, if doctrine and theology are unimportant, we may as well throw out the Bible and call people to save themselves any which way they can! We Calvinists don't do that, though. If you want to see an example that is purely Biblical, I'll let Peter handle it for us from Acts chapter 2. Please take note of such things as "everyone God calls to Himself" as well as the words "plan" and "foreknowledge." They aren't Calvinists words but Biblical things.

22 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know— 23 this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men. 24 God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it. 25 For David says concerning him,

“‘I saw the Lord always before me,
for he is at my right hand that I may not be shaken;
26 therefore my heart was glad, and my tongue rejoiced;
my flesh also will dwell in hope.
27 For you will not abandon my soul to Hades,
or let your Holy One see corruption.
28 You have made known to me the paths of life;
you will make me full of gladness with your presence.’


29 “Brothers, I may say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30 Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne, 31 he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. 33 Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. 34 For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says,

“‘The Lord said to my Lord,
Sit at my right hand,
35 until I make your enemies your footstool.’


36 Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”

37 Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”

 

[Fatty]

Well, if doctrine and theology are unimportant, we may as well throw out the Bible and call people to save themselves any which way they can! We Calvinists don't do that, though. If you want to see an example that is purely Biblical, I'll let Peter handle it for us from Acts chapter 2. Please take note of such things as "everyone God calls to Himself" as well as the words "plan" and "foreknowledge." They aren't Calvinists words but Biblical things.

22 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know— 23 this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men. 24 God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it. 25 For David says concerning him,

“‘I saw the Lord always before me,
for he is at my right hand that I may not be shaken;
26 therefore my heart was glad, and my tongue rejoiced;
my flesh also will dwell in hope.
27 For you will not abandon my soul to Hades,
or let your Holy One see corruption.
28 You have made known to me the paths of life;
you will make me full of gladness with your presence.’


29 “Brothers, I may say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30 Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne, 31 he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. 33 Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. 34 For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says,

“‘The Lord said to my Lord,
Sit at my right hand,
35 until I make your enemies your footstool.’


36 Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”

37 Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”

Why won't you give an example of exactly how you would go about presenting what you believe is the uncompromised life changing full Gospel message of the cross of Jesus Christ to a lost person?

That's all I asked you to do, that has nothing whatsover to do with Calvinism, or Arminiansm, or does it?

See that is the real quesrion here, when you witness to a lost person, using what you say is theology, are you really telling them they have to be a Calvinist to be a Christian?

Now lets see that example if you don't mind......

 

[Fatty]

I wonder how you consider this a fellowship post.

Do you consider the post I responded to to be an acceptable Christ LIke post, I don't, in fact it was the actions of a very mean, sarcastic, insulting Spiritually immature individual, BUT then the actuons I responded to is a typica Calvinist action, as usual....

 

[Fatty]

i agree with this. Just tell 'em the Gospel, leave the results to God: if they are the elect, they will convert in God's timing.

Again with the exclusivelly select elect, please tell us, how do the exclusivelly select elect KNOW they are the one and only ones God loves enough to save, and how do the others know they are the ONLY ones God hates?

(Posted by Mary, one of Fatty's Bible Study students)

 

[reformedfan]

a catholic & i walked into a bar...

no, that's the wrong story.

a catholic asked me about salvation, about all the diff denoms, & what if someone is in the "wrong" denom (his choice of words, not mine) & i answered him here:

Nevermind, you are so untrustworthy, so deceitful & hypocritical i just can't bring myself to post the link here. We've not banned anyone from that forum, you would be the first.

i tell the Gospel every week at the olde county jail & the chicks who end up coming to faith in Christ don't line up at the ye olde tattoos R us for the blue John Calvin jail house special commemorative edition tat. (though they do come to faith in Christ, even though i don't 'close the deal' & order them to 'pray this prayer'. NO sense causing anyone undue anxiety, that's what your homey Finney was into.)

*sigh* go ahead & read into that & accuse me of being a liar who perverts the Gospel again, i need one more shove to finally put you on my ignore list.

 

[JJB]

Are you guys in your class now?

The good news off my cuff is this: Jesus Christ, God incarnate, lived a perfect life, paid the price for our sin in that He was crucified, dead and buried and rose again in three days, so that we may have eternal life if we repent and believe in Him.

Altho, I think the passage from Acts quoted by Coffeeswirls above is a much more thorough and compelling explanation. If I were put on the spot and asked by someone what is the good news of Jesus, what I said above is probably what would proceed from my lips.

 

[Fatty]

Are you guys in your class now?

The good news off my cuff is this: Jesus Christ, God incarnate, lived a perfect life, paid the price for our sin in that He was crucified, dead and buried and rose again in three days, so that we may have eternal life if we repent and believe in Him.

Altho, I think the passage from Acts quoted by Coffeeswirls above is a much more thorough and compelling explanation. If I were put on the spot and asked by someone what is the good news of Jesus, what I said above is probably what would proceed from my lips.

Exactly! Leave denominations out of it! Leave Calvinism OUT of it, leave Arminiansm OUT of it, MY God leave denominational THEOLOGICAL trash OUT of it!

Why in Gods name do people think they have to lead someone into their denomination to get them properly born again?

Apparently those who follow the teachings of john calvin think HIS teachings (Theology) should be the FIRST and most important part of any acceptable witness to a lost person, yes sir get them saved and into a proper calvinist personal relationship with john calvin as their Lord and Savior!

 

[BBAS 64]

Do you consider the post I responded to to be an acceptable Christ LIke post, I don't, in fact it was the actions of a very mean, sarcastic, insulting Spiritually immature individual, BUT then the actuons I responded to is a typica Calvinist action, as usual....

Good Day, Fatty

I would like to remind you "again" that you are a guest here in the Reformed part of this site.

Peace to u,

Bill