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HI, I am a christian and I am undecided on this issue. I think the popular notion is that Christians should be against this, however I was faced with a difficult scenario that makes me question that notion. If someone could list the scriptures for or against Euthansia I would be grateful. thanks.

this doesnt need to turn into something huge, i just want scriptures. Thanks.

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HI, I am a christian and I am undecided on this issue. I think the popular notion is that Christians should be against this, however I was faced with a difficult scenario that makes me question that notion. If someone could list the scriptures for or against Euthansia I would be grateful. thanks.

this doesnt need to turn into something huge, i just want scriptures. Thanks.

Jamie

Hey ST. You might get better responses if you posted in the christian only section. :wave:
 
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well some non christians know the bible just as well or better in some cases than christians.

What are your opinions on this?

well, since you ask. I currently have a medical condition which has a good probability of leaving me in a vegetative state. When I found out about this one of the first things I did was fill out a living will giving explicit instructions to pull the plug. I can think of no worse hell then being trapped in a body and unable to escape. Be it from pain, or my own inability to function as a normal human being.

I know a lot of Christians believe in Gods will as far as Euthanasia is concerned. but I have a hard time envisioning a God who loves me wanting me to be bodily alive only because we thought up a machine that can force my body to live without my brain being involved. Similarly i have a hard time seeing an extra 2 months of life lived in extreme pain being of any use to a loving deity.
 
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well, since you ask. I currently have a medical condition which has a good probability of leaving me in a vegetative state. When I found out about this one of the first things I did was fill out a living will giving explicit instructions to pull the plug. I can think of no worse hell then being trapped in a body and unable to escape. Be it from pain, or my own inability to function as a normal human being.

I know a lot of Christians believe in Gods will as far as Euthanasia is concerned. but I have a hard time envisioning a God who loves me wanting me to be bodily alive only because we thought up a machine that can force my body to live without my brain being involved. Similarly i have a hard time seeing an extra 2 months of life lived in extreme pain being of any use to a loving deity.

Good point. What about guys like Stephen Hawking though? That guy is physically useless but his brain power is huge. I can understand pulling the plug on people who are in pain or brain dead. What about the various other things in between? How should we pull the plug? Should we let people starve like Terry Schivo did? To me it seems like it would be better to overdose someone than to let them dehydrate/starve. Should doctors be involved in killing people? Would that tarnish the medical profession?
 
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The way we (meaning my family) look at it is from the standpoint of "are we preserving life or prolonging death?"

I recently shared a story about my grandpa and how we decided to not have his heart restarted if it failed again. It did, we didn't, and he passed away rather peacefully minutes later.

But a little backstory might shed some light on this situation. My grandpa had a serious heart condition and diabetes - a fairly lethal combination. In his lifetime of 80-some odd years, his heart had been restarted for him over 22 times. The first was when he was 32. He lived with chronic pain from his heart issues and his diabetes was most savage. When he was in his late 60s, he had a massive stroke that made it so that he couldn't talk. He had to relearn how to walk. I finally beat him at a game of golf. When my grandma passed, he was alone for awhile and didn't manage his diet and he had another stroke, followed two days later by another heart attack. He had to have been in the hospital for, I dunno, three to four months, not counting rehab. At one point in time, after they had reshocked his heart, they asked him "should we continue this when it happens again?" I thought he was gonna take out the doctor. He grunted quite a bit and pointed at the defrib-thingy-a-bob and pointed to his heart. Yep, keep it coming.

Back to more present times, Grandpa told my dad the last time he went into the hospital that he was ready to die...but not quite. He asked that all his grandkids and his one great grandkid (my son) come visit him so that he could say goodbye to us. That was, by far, one of the hardest things I have ever done. Makes me tear up thinking about it. And we all did. Within a day of that happening, he deteriorated quickly. We had him shocked twice and that was it. No more. But he got to say goodbye to his family and the last memory I have of my grandpa was the big grin he got on his face when he saw his great-grandson. he pointed at my son, and then pointed at me and then back at my son. It was him telling my son to take care of me.

These people who talk about dying with dignity being getting shot up with drugs or taken off feeding tubes...I contend that they know nothing about dying with dignity. For Christians, there is no dignity in death, because we die that physical death because of sin. But even still...I'd say that my grandpa's death comes as close to a dignified death as one could.

So you see, we looked at it from the perspective of were we clinging to grandpa and not allowing his body to do what it needed to do to shut down? or were we taking the measures to save his life. For us, it was medically clear that he was dying and that continuing to shock his heart was only prolonging that.

Whew. Sorry about the long post!!
 
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Belk, I think you bring up a good point. I appreciate our imput. What is the disease you have, if you dont mind me asking?

Jamie

It's actually a congenital birth defect called an Aterio-Venous Malformation.
 
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Good point. What about guys like Stephen Hawking though? That guy is physically useless but his brain power is huge. I can understand pulling the plug on people who are in pain or brain dead. What about the various other things in between? How should we pull the plug? Should we let people starve like Terry Schivo did? To me it seems like it would be better to overdose someone than to let them dehydrate/starve. Should doctors be involved in killing people? Would that tarnish the medical profession?

The thing about Stephen Hawking, is he can make up his own mind on if he wants to live or die. I don't see it as being ethical in any way to force that decision upon someone.
 
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The way we (meaning my family) look at it is from the standpoint of "are we preserving life or prolonging death?"

I recently shared a story about my grandpa and how we decided to not have his heart restarted if it failed again. It did, we didn't, and he passed away rather peacefully minutes later.

But a little backstory might shed some light on this situation. My grandpa had a serious heart condition and diabetes - a fairly lethal combination. In his lifetime of 80-some odd years, his heart had been restarted for him over 22 times. The first was when he was 32. He lived with chronic pain from his heart issues and his diabetes was most savage. When he was in his late 60s, he had a massive stroke that made it so that he couldn't talk. He had to relearn how to walk. I finally beat him at a game of golf. When my grandma passed, he was alone for awhile and didn't manage his diet and he had another stroke, followed two days later by another heart attack. He had to have been in the hospital for, I dunno, three to four months, not counting rehab. At one point in time, after they had reshocked his heart, they asked him "should we continue this when it happens again?" I thought he was gonna take out the doctor. He grunted quite a bit and pointed at the defrib-thingy-a-bob and pointed to his heart. Yep, keep it coming.

Back to more present times, Grandpa told my dad the last time he went into the hospital that he was ready to die...but not quite. He asked that all his grandkids and his one great grandkid (my son) come visit him so that he could say goodbye to us. That was, by far, one of the hardest things I have ever done. Makes me tear up thinking about it. And we all did. Within a day of that happening, he deteriorated quickly. We had him shocked twice and that was it. No more. But he got to say goodbye to his family and the last memory I have of my grandpa was the big grin he got on his face when he saw his great-grandson. he pointed at my son, and then pointed at me and then back at my son. It was him telling my son to take care of me.

These people who talk about dying with dignity being getting shot up with drugs or taken off feeding tubes...I contend that they know nothing about dying with dignity. For Christians, there is no dignity in death, because we die that physical death because of sin. But even still...I'd say that my grandpa's death comes as close to a dignified death as one could.

So you see, we looked at it from the perspective of were we clinging to grandpa and not allowing his body to do what it needed to do to shut down? or were we taking the measures to save his life. For us, it was medically clear that he was dying and that continuing to shock his heart was only prolonging that.

Whew. Sorry about the long post!!

No, thank you for sharing that post. A very moving story.
 
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The thing about Stephen Hawking, is he can make up his own mind on if he wants to live or die. I don't see it as being ethical in any way to force that decision upon someone.

Ah, yes--exactly what I was planning to say. If a person is conscious and aware, then of course, it's their decision, and their decision only. I'd go so far as to say that, if it ever became legal (which I'm shaky on, for non-morality reasons) the doctor maybe shouldn't even mention it in that case, until the patient brings it up, to avoid coercion.

The Terry Schivo case was an atrocious portrayal of the procedure of removing a feeding tube. Normally, the person doesn't actually starve. It's like removing a respirator--when the oxygen or food is forced into the person, they stop dying. When it's removed, the death process picks back up where it left off. That is, they are still dying *of their illness or injury.* They aren't starving or suffocating, they are dying of cancer or something, and they die of that long before they would have starved.
Removing the feeding tube from somebody who *isn't* dying, but relies on it for food, is *not* the same thing at all, and doing that muddied the water so [explitive] much on the whole issue. That is actually one main reason I have *for* formalized euthanisia--to keep [explitive] like that from happening. This limbo state we're in now is just freakin' dangerous. Procedures being misused like that, and people dying much more painfully than they would have if the doctor was just allowed to OD them directly (whether she was in an appropriate state for it is another question).
I suspect that semi-deliberately euthanisia actually happens pretty frequently, now. I'd much rather it be done in the open, and carefully, than behind closed doors.

edit: I'm normally not so prone to pseudo-swearing, but that case makes me really mad.
 
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Things can get very very nasty and that is why it is good for people to take a look at things now and let their wishes be known.

My grandfather on my mothers side had Alzheimers. For the last couple of years of his life he was not there mentally more often than not.

I was lucky, I was young enough to not see much of it. My grandmother and mother were not so lucky. Just hearing about one thing that happened more than once is enough to bring me close to tears. He would lying in bed holding my grandmothers hand asking for Ruthie. He was asking for her when she was there holding his hand.

There was not much physical pain involved. Mental anguish is a different story.
 
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I think we, as rational human beings, deserve to choose the time and manner of our deaths if outside circumstances do not cause them to occur sooner than we would like. Of course, it is important for people to also have access to help and therapy before making that decision, but in the end, if we can't control our own lives and bodies, what does freedom mean? I'm with Belk on this one. I'll be making a living will, probably when I get to be about forty, with contingencies for everything I can think of. Less than being a vegetable, I don't want to be a burden on my family, a constant source of pain and a financial black hole (medical stuff is expensive, and we are of very modest means.) I mean, if I was a veggie, I wouldn't know, would I?

It's interesting to note that my brother sees things the exact opposite way. He would never want the plug pulled, so long as he was still in some way alive. We've both agreed to honor each others wishes in this if it ever came to that.

But none of this really answers the question. The OP called for scripture about this and no one has provided any. Surely there are some relevant passages in that big ol' book that would apply?
 
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Because the WELS Q&A is so much more eloquent than I ever could be:

Authority over Life: This is the exclusive dominion of God (Deuteronomy 32:39). If God does not command or permit the taking of human life (ref. discussions on capital punishment), it is absolutely not permitted for human beings to end the lives of other human beings (Exodus 20:13; Genesis 9:6). Simply put, God does not want life to end by our will or actions unless He so commands. That reality, therefore, calls for us to help protect and sustain life.
Caring for Human Life: The responsibility of caring for others is a primary responsibility for Christians. It begins with caring for one’s immediate family (1 Timothy 5:8). It then branches out into the Christian community (Galatians 6:10). It, however, is not restricted only to family and fellow Christians. This compassion and care for others goes to all people (Galatians 6:10; Matthew 25:31-46; 1 John 4:7-21). Of particular importance is that we are not to play favorites (Leviticus 19:15; 1 Timothy 5:21; James 2:9). Even when someone’s quality of life has diminished, we are never to prejudice against them but rather make them objects of our special love and respect (Leviticus 19:32; Matthew 15:30-31; 1 John 3:17).
Living Eternally: In our world of countless blessings it is easy to forget that we are strangers here (1 Peter 1:1,17). Our life is forever in heaven. While facing the prospect of death has us often measuring life by what is being lost (i.e., we are losing our family member or our friend), God wants us to regard life optimistically even in the face of death (1 Corinthians 15:35-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18).
 
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