European Floods- It's all my fault

[coastie]

As a government employee I'm sure I reflect the opinions of the of the general American public when I say...

"I'm sorry Europe for your floods. If I could take them back I would."

The reason I say this is that it is apparently our fault for being a huge contributor and the Bush administration not taking a more active role against Global Warming.

Among the growing anti-American sentiment throughout the world is genuine belief that the US desires to slowly destroy the earth by flooding it then cooking it, thus making a gigantic 'earth soup'.

We've been caught you slimy government types. It's time to grovel!

 

[Blessed-one]

really? how would US benefit if Europe went under.

oh yes... global warming uh? sad...

 

[Kiwi]

is this surposed to be sarcastic or is it for real? I sure hope your not making light of peoples misery.

 

[Kookaburra]

I definately agree. It's not something to make light of.

Oh, and Coastie, were you from the Dancing Snowman messageboard? Just wondering because of the humor and 'trout' idea that is so popular there....

 

[Blessed-one]

sarcastic Kiwi, it's sad that Australia is also not taking up measures against global warming (not enough, anyway). The economy suffers.... and evetually the whole world will suffer (awww, already happening).. right, we're beginning to see how the world will end.

 

[coastie]

Originally posted by Kiwi
is this surposed to be sarcastic or is it for real? I sure hope your not making light of peoples misery.

Oh jeez... lighten up. My home was flooded and I lost everything once too.

It was sarcastic. Some German leader (I can't remeber which one since it really doesn't matter) has outwardly accused the United States of actually causing the floods.

If you want to know my view on this topic, I absolutely think that something should be done and the longer the world waits the worse it'll get, however, I don't think it's fair to blame this whole thing on the US.

Furthermore, I was using this as an example of anti-American sentiment throughout the world that I am having a hard time convincing people of.

 

[Gunny]

3Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?” 4And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5“For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6“And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7“For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8“All these are the beginning of sorrows. 9“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10“And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11“Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12“And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13“But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14“And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. The Holy Bible, New King James Version, (Nashville, Tennessee: Thomas Nelson, Inc.) 1982.

 

[Brimshack]

Anti-American? I thought you did it Coastie. Don't try to implicate us in your shinanigans.

 

[Kiwi]

I had not heard of the German guy blaming America for the floods, which of course is foolish, just wanted to know where you were coming from. What was the point of the scripture verse from 'marine'? If you want to hear some real anti-American sentiment go to the BBC 'talking point column' on their web site, www.bbc.co.uk , where they are discussing the impending war against iraq, there are some blistering posts there.

 

[coastie]

LOL

Thanks kiwi!

Actually I watch Talking Points on BBC al the time. While in many areas BBC seems to not bee too anti-American, everyonce in a while I will see or hear something that will just blow me away.

Over the past five years I have really grown to distrust all forms and types of news media. There is ALWAYS some kind of a spin to it.

Thanks for the site.

Zach

 

[waterwizard]

Coastie,
I understood your first post from the start. I know that whatever happens around the world, the USA will eventually get the blame for it. The UN is becoming a dangerous anti-USA entity and will play a big part in trying to take away the soverignty of our country.

 

[coastie]

Well, that may be a stretch. It would take more than the jello back boned UN to do that. Maybe with the assistance of the EU would it be possible though.

 

[Lacmeh]

And Bush with his more than dumb commetns is helping along...

 

[Freodin]

Come over here and drown - and then you can talk about who´s to blame!

Americans, pah! Can´t you accept that you are not always right?

 

[Caffeine Socialism]

Waterwizard: "The UN is becoming a dangerous anti-USA entity and will play a big part in trying to take away the soverignty of our country."

I, for one, see the UN as the greatest governmental idea mankind has ever had. It stops violence, keeps the peace in volatile regions, supports birth control (not abortion, as Bu$h would have it), brings food and agricultural aid to those that need it, and works in favor of the whole world, not just the conservative United States. Anyway, it's about time the conservatives had someone stand up to them.
Plus, why is taking away the sovereignty of the US such a bad thing? A united Earth should be the dream of every world leader. (The Left Behind books are fiction; that means NOT real).

Freodin: "Come over here and drown - and then you can talk about who´s to blame!"

On behalf of all Americans who see the world as a toy that God gave them to pollute, I apologize.

Freodin: "Can´t you accept that you are not always right?"
Unfortunately, no, no they can't.

 

[coastie]

And Bush with his more than dumb commetns is helping along...

Oh jeez... nice shot, but WAY off the mark.

Come over here and drown - and then you can talk about who´s to blame!

Americans, pah! Can´t you accept that you are not always right?

Yeah, the US has never had a devestating flood has it?

What about devastating Earthquakes? Hurricanes that cost billions, tornadoes that topple multipe midwestern towns, wild fires that destroy millions of acres of our declining woodlands and kill hundreds of firefighters, terrorist attacks that kill thousands...

You name it, we get it. But we accept it, absorb it and build on it.

It's not as much accepting that we aren't always right, it's a matter of accepting the anti-american attitudes from other nations. Thanks for contributing.

birth control (not abortion, as Bu$h would have it),

what?

brings food and agricultural aid to those that need it, and works in favor of the whole world, not just the conservative United States. Anyway, it's about time the conservatives had someone stand up to them.

Stand up to the conservatives? HA, have you ever watched US news? There are huge opostions on both sides.

On behalf of all Americans who see the world as a toy that God gave them to pollute, I apologize.

Do you have any idea what kind of environmental constraints are in effect in the US? You can't throw an old oil container in the garbage without getting a ticket in most cities.

I can't even get my air conditioner in my truck fixed without spend hundreds to have a newer system that complies with newer more stringent environmental restrictions.

This country is extremely strict on environmental issues. Just because we haven't had much of a presence in environmental summits doesn't mean we aren't taking steps toward a more environmentally sound way of life.

True, the US could take more of an active role in such things, but so could everyone.

Freodin: "Can´t you accept that you are not always right?"
Unfortunately, no, no they can't.

Who are you? What do you know about this?

What gives you the ability to assess the collective US response to accusations of errors?

 

[waterwizard]

The UN supports the Palestinian homocide bombers, supports a global tax, seeks to become the judge of the world through the World Court, wants to promote prostitution and abortion through CEDAW, and seeks to form a global religion, among other things.

 

[coastie]

Some US Environmental Conservation Facts from 8 years ago...

US Pollution Abatement and Control Expedentures

1972 $16.64 billion
1994 $121.8 billion

Total US protected forests by acres

as of 1993 650.3 million acres (not including protected rivers, coastal regions and ad areas of historical importance)

Total protected animal species in the US: as of 1995... 754


The US Environmental Protection budget for the EPA:

in 2002 was 7.3 billion dollars and that doesn't include the Coast Guard, or the total Department of Agriculture

check out this graphic here

You should see what the USGRCP has been up to. They have done some very valuable research for UNEP and the IPCC. Much of their budget comes both directly from the Department of Agriculture and from the EPA.

I'm sure you've heard the extremely simplified BBC commentaries on the US governments approach to global warming, but the US budget in this research is huge.

 

[Lacmeh]

ICC: ICC can´t pursue crimes, if the country in question pursues them. It only takes over, if the country is unable (has no legislature covering the crime, or ressources) or does chose to ignore those crimes. Bush is deliberly lying in public about the ICC. Imn Christian terms it would be called false witness, I suppose.

Gobal Warming:

Bush denies, that CO2 causes Global warming. Well he choses to delibertly ignore pysical ly proven facts and delibertly lying about them. One can argue, that global warming would have occurred naturally or not, but not about the fact, that CO2 is causing global warming. Besides that, I see so many laughing about the European Union and their environmental laws (stricter than US laws). I geuss, that the EU environmental laws don´t prevent the Eu economics to keep up with the USA.

Then I would guess, the anti USA sentiments come from the fact, that USA choses to ignore SIGNED AND RATIFIED treaties with the EU, the OECD and the UNO.

Of course teh US, as every other nation, is supposed to look out for the best interest of their citizens, but ignoring treaties is a very bad precedence. A treaty is a compromize to both sides. Nopw the US choses to ignore their side of compromize every time they like. Would that not be a dangerous precedence? Imagine India or China doing that. Don´t get folled, they have that kind of power. If every major nation ignores treaties whenever it suits them, then we aren´t better off as in the stone ages. Only, that nowadays we can wipe out almost all life on earth in one war between two major powers. So, yes, Bush is setting some very dumb and dangerous precedences.

 

[coastie]

President Bush said:
There are only two ways to stabilize concentration of greenhouse gases. One is to avoid emitting them in the first place; the other is to try to capture them after they're created. And there are problems with both approaches. We're making great progress through technology, but have not yet developed cost-effective ways to capture carbon emissions at their source; although there is some promising work that is being done.

It appears as if he does recognize carbon dioxide as a contributor.

Acknowledgement...

President Bush said:
There is a natural greenhouse effect that contributes to warming. Greenhouse gases trap heat, and thus warm the earth because they prevent a significant proportion of infrared radiation from escaping into space. Concentration of greenhouse gases, especially CO2, have increased substantially since the beginning of the industrial revolution. And the National Academy of Sciences indicate that the increase is due in large part to human activity.

I got these exerpts here.

Then I would guess, the anti USA sentiments come from the fact, that USA choses to ignore SIGNED AND RATIFIED treaties with the EU, the OECD and the UNO.

Are you referring to the Kyoto treaty?

If not, what are referring to?

Nopw the US choses to ignore their side of compromize every time they like. Would that not be a dangerous precedence?

Yes, but I have have only a vague idea of what you are referring to.

Imagine India or China doing that. Don´t get folled, they have that kind of power. If every major nation ignores treaties whenever it suits them, then we aren´t better off as in the stone ages.

Are we talking about nuclear weapons, chemical or biological warfare?

Because I don't think you're talking about environmental treaties since China and India weren't even included in the Kyoto treaty (which is the treaty you appeared to be referring to at first).

As far as nuclear weapons, chemical or biological warfare, I haven't heard anything about the US breaking any of those rules.

Only, that nowadays we can wipe out almost all life on earth in one war between two major powers. So, yes, Bush is setting some very dumb and dangerous precedences.

Now you are referring to warfare (which is a little off topic but I will humor you, keeping in mind that there are better threads to discuss this in)... and I have no idea what treaties you are talking about. I need examples or I'd be wasting my time.

Breaking treaties is a dangerous precedence, I agree with that.

However, let me clear something up... the US never actually signed the Kyoto treaty, it was poorly written and left out two of the four largest green house gas emitters.

While the US is one of them (20% of the world's green house gasses), statistics show that the US has taken numerous measures to reduce and control green house gas emissions to the tune of billions upon billions of dollars and counting.