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Europe and the Mark??

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Mark of the beast??

Britain Could Be a 'Chip' Society Soon
CBN News



November 2, 2006







CBNNews.com - British citizens could be forced to have microchip implants in the not-so-distant future that would store personal information and allow people to be tracked.
An official report on the rise of what it calls the "Big Brother" state in the United Kingdom, concluded that the prospect of 'chip-citizen' society could be possible in the next ten years, the London Daily Mall reported in October.
The report, which addressed the spread of surveillance technology in the country, was produced by a group of leading academics for Britain's Information Commissioner Richard Thomas.
It claims that Britons are currently the most spied-upon citizens in the free world. The chip, it says, could be used to monitor the movements, purchases, and communications of British citizens within ten years.
The London Daily Mall also reported earlier that teenage shoppers are more open to the idea of using microchip implants to pay for items.




Church Group Warns British Government
The London Daily Telegraph



November 6, 2006







CBNNews.com -- A leading church group in Britain is threatening what it calls a "violent revolution" if the government continues its assault against religious freedom.

The Evangelical Alliance, added "at some point there is not only the right, but the duty to disobey the state."

The statements come just weeks after British Airways suspended an employee from wearing a crucifix.
The London Telegraph reports that some are concerned that the group's revolutionary-tone is similar to the one that comes from islamic radicals.
 

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I'm just wondering- why does everyone consider these chips the Mark of the Beast or whatever?

While I can understand that some people don't want them and would consider them privacy invaders, I don't really have a problem with them, and they would be great if I got abducted or something to help police find me. But how is RELIGION involved in this?

Metherion
 
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The Proble is that GOD said not to Do it and the reason Why is that By accepting it you are Give People more control over Your life than you are willing to Give God ... You may think it isn't the mark and you may one day choose to take it But Just remember You better Be right ... God Promised a one way ticket to hell for taking it No forgiveness ... So lets Just Say as far as i'm conserned....... i'm Not taking any chances!
 
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[FONT=Arial, Arial, helvetica, Verdana]These are the references to the mark itself:
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[FONT=Arial, Arial, helvetica, Verdana]Revelation 13:16-18
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a MARK in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the MARK, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. Rev. 13:16-18
[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Arial, helvetica, Verdana]Revelation 14:9
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his MARK in his forehead, or in his hand, Rev. 14:9
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[FONT=Arial, Arial, helvetica, Verdana]Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the MARK of his name. Rev. 14:11
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[FONT=Arial, Arial, helvetica, Verdana]Revelation 15:2
And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his MARK, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. Rev 15:2
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[FONT=Arial, Arial, helvetica, Verdana]Revelation 16:2
And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the MARK of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image. Rev. 16:2
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[FONT=Arial, Arial, helvetica, Verdana]Revelation 19:20
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the MARK of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. Rev. 19:20
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[FONT=Arial, Arial, helvetica, Verdana]Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his MARK upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Rev. 20:4
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And this is an article in example of why people think it could be the microchip or some such. I personally would never accept any mark, chip, tattoo that was forced on me by the government for id or any other purpose for many reasons. One, I don't want in any way to be able to be tracked or whatever, I would never allow this to be put in my children or grandchildren. Fear is always used to further the advance of something like this. And two because of scripture warning of this, I'd rather not take the chance. Anyway, read this as a sampling, I did not write it, I found it as an example of how the connection is made between the chip and the mark. There is plenty of material out there.

The Microchip and the Mark of the Beast

"Dr Carl W. Sanders is an electronics engineer, inventor, author and consultant to various government organizations as well as IBM, General Electric, Honeywell and Teledyne. He is also a winner of the Presidents and Governors Award for Design Excellence.
"Thirty two years of my life was spent in design engineering and electronics designing microchips in the Bio-Med field. In 1968 I became involved, almost by accident, in a research and development project in regard to a spinal bypass for a young lady who had severed her spine. They were looking at possibly being able to connect motor nerves etc. It was a project we were all excited about. There were 100 people involved and I was senior engineer in charge of the project. This project culminated in the microchip that we talk about now a - microchip that I believe is going to be the positive identification and mark of the beast.
This microchip is recharged by body temperature changes. Obviously you can't go in and have your battery changed every so often, so the microchip has a recharging circuit that charges based upon the body temperature changes. Over one and a half million dollars was spent finding out that the two places in the body that the temperature changes the most rapidly are in the forehead (primary position), right below the hairline, and the back of the hand (alternative position).
Working on the microchip, we had no idea about it ever being an identification chip. We looked at it as being a very humanitarian thing to do. We were all excited about what we were doing. We were doing high-level integration for the very first time. This team was made up of people out of San Jose, people from Motorola, General Electric, Boston Medical Center - it was quite a group of people.
My responsibility had to do with the design of the chip itself, not the medical side of if. As the chip came to evolve, there came a time in the project when they said that the financial return on bypassing severed spines is not a very lucrative thing for us to be into, so we really need to look at some other areas. We noticed that the frequency of the chip had a great effect upon behavior and so we began to branch off and look possibly at behavior modification.
The project almost turned into electronic acupuncture because what they ended up with was embedding the microchip to put out a signal which effected certain areas. They were able to determine that you could cause behavioral change. One of the projects was called the Phoenix project which had to do with Vietnam veterans. We had a chip that was called the Rambo chip. This chip would actually cause extra adrenaline flow.
I wonder how many of you know that if you can stop the output of the the pituitary gland (the signal from the pituitary gland that causes oestrogen flow), you can put a person into instant menopause and there is no conception. This was tested in India and other different parts of the world. So here you have got a birth control tool, based on a microchip.
Microchips can also be used for migraine headaches, behavior modification, upper/downer, sexual stimulant and sexual depressant. This is nothing more that electronic acupuncture, folks.
There are 250,000 components in the microchip, including a tiny lithium battery. I fought them over using lithium as a battery source but NASA was doing a lot with lithium at that time and it was the going thing. I had talked to a doctor at the Boston Medical Center about what that concentration of lithium in the body could do if the chip broke down. He said that you would get a boil or grievous sore.
As the development moved along, I left the project and came back as a consultant several times. I was used in many meetings as an expert witness in regard to the uses of the microchip. I was in one meeting where it was discussed. How can you control a people if you can't identify them ?" All of a sudden the idea came: "Lets make them aware of lost children, etc." This was discussed in meetings almost like people were cattle. The CIA came up with an idea of putting pictures of lost children on milk cartons. Since the chip is now accepted, you don't see the pictures anymore, do you. It's served it's purpose.
As we developed this microchip, as the identification chip became the focal point, there were several things that were wanted. They wanted a name, an image (picture of your face), Social security number with the international digits on it, finger print identification, physical description, family history, address, occupation, income tax information and criminal record.
I've been in 17 "one world" meetings where this has been discussed, meetings in Brussels, Luxembourg, tying together the finances of the world. Just recently in the newspapers they've talked about the Health Care Program, the "Womb to Tomb" identification! A positive identification. There are bills before congress right now that will allow them to inject a microchip in your child at the time of birth for identification purposes. The president of the United States of America, under the "Emigration of Control Act of 1996", Section 100 , has the authority to deem whatever type of identification is necessary - whether it be an invisible tattoo or electronic media under the skin. So I think you have to look at the facts, folks: this is not coming as some big shock. The paving has been done ahead of time."
 
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So then, if I were a person to take Revelation literally, all I would have to do is insist they put it in my LEFT hand and I would be safe? Or insist they leave out the built-in-credit-card part or whatever?

Metherion


In my opinion, your best option would be to deny it all together. Why take the chance? I for one would not risk it!
 
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If this were to come in, I think I'd refuse on civil liberties grounds rather than religious. And if there were any religious implications my arguments wouldn't include using revelation verses mentioned in the above posts.

Well when it comes to that remeber what Jesus said.

"Those who are ashamed to claim me before men I will be ashamd to claim before my father."

God bless,
Carey
 
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The implanted chip is a realistic explanation of the 'mark'.
However, one won't be forced to accept it, but if refused would be excluded from the then worldwide electronic economy.
 
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The implanted chip is a realistic explanation of the 'mark'.
However, one won't be forced to accept it, but if refused would be excluded from the then worldwide electronic economy.

Makes sense to me . But how then would this be a reason to be excluded from heaven??
 
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I think all Christians, if still around at that point, would recognize what the mark of the beast would be. Why? Simply because I wouldn't think it right for a Christian who truly loves God get implanted with a chip in good intentions and go to hell. How unfair would that be? So, like I said, I think you will know what is an isn't the mark during that timeframe.
 
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I think all Christians, if still around at that point, would recognize what the mark of the beast would be. Why? Simply because I wouldn't think it right for a Christian who truly loves God get implanted with a chip in good intentions and go to hell. How unfair would that be? So, like I said, I think you will know what is an isn't the mark during that timeframe.

I agree if a Christian studies the BIble he will know as oyu say.

Matthew 22
29Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.

Psalms 119 : 16 I delight in your decrees;
I will not neglect your word.
18 Open my eyes that I may see
wonderful things in your law.

Acts 17 : 11Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true


1 timothy 4 :
1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer

This could also be explaining away why the chip is not the mark or bad. By the Pope or someone that has as much power over millions of religious followers as he does.
 
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About the mark, the part that's shocking to me is when it mentions people being forced to recieve the mark, not being able to buy or sell or even possible being put to death for not accepting it.

Would most be christians be willing to die, rejecting the mark? If you know you're going to die for rejecting it, wouldn't that be suicide? Would God foresake you eternally because u were so frightened by the sheer thought of the pain and separation of your loved ones that you rejected it? I pray that God would intervene for us in this situation and make the death as easy as can be and that we DO deny the mark, death or not. Do the people who die before the coming of the mark have death easier? Guess im selfish but i want my death to be as painless as possible LoL. I pray Dear God, make my transistion smooth. LOL

And would a community of people not help out a starving christian person who can no longer buy or sell? Like, my buddy has the mark, but he said he's willing to buy your groceries for you. bet we'll be wishing for the good ol days when that time comes.

surely someone can build on those thoughts
 
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About the mark, the part that's shocking to me is when it mentions people being forced to recieve the mark, not being able to buy or sell or even possible being put to death for not accepting it.

Would most be christians be willing to die, rejecting the mark? If you know you're going to die for rejecting it, wouldn't that be suicide? Would God foresake you eternally because u were so frightened by the sheer thought of the pain and separation of your loved ones that you rejected it? I pray that God would intervene for us in this situation and make the death as easy as can be and that we DO deny the mark, death or not. Do the people who die before the coming of the mark have death easier? Guess im selfish but i want my death to be as painless as possible LoL. I pray Dear God, make my transistion smooth. LOL

And would a community of people not help out a starving christian person who can no longer buy or sell? Like, my buddy has the mark, but he said he's willing to buy your groceries for you. bet we'll be wishing for the good ol days when that time comes.

surely someone can build on those thoughts

Rememeer many Christians were fed to lions and crucified for not denying Christ.

Remember God will not allow you to be tested beyond what you can handle he will give you strength to resist if you truly love and trust him.
If you do you will have no fear of these things that must come to pass.

But yes I am sure their will be many who flee into hiding and have a difficult time finding food because they are afraid of the beasts army and Government.

But again if that is where we end up God will give us strength to praise him with joy through the most difficult of trials.

God bless,
Carey
 
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Mark or not, I'ld never have a chip implanted into me, and would join such a revolution should my government try to force them on us.

I feel the same way. :amen: It's my own personal body.

Also, since a lot of shopping is done online now, would we need to stick our hand into some type of computer? :sick:
 
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Despite the "Europe and the Mark" title, I hope you know that the US is not excluded from this - in fact, probably further advanced!

In the UK we've always been strongly opposed to any kind of ID card - we don't even have to carry a "driving licence" (a form of ID). But now in interests of national security and anti-terrorism, an ID card is proposed soon. The US equivalent... well, your US driving licence to be replaced with RealID...

There are credit cards out in US with RFID (Radio Frequency ID) technology where you just wave them in front of the scanner and that's all that's needed.

I believe that the mark in Revelation is a visible mark (Hebrew : charagma) but probably coupled with a microchip using RFID technology, you'll just be able to be scanned as you walk up to a checkout, or move around the country!

Applied Digital who is one of the biggest company trying to push this already is testing on mental patients and wants to microchip US soldiers (http://www.examiner.com/a-232630~Company_trying_to_get_under_soldiers__skin.html. I hate the way soldiers seem to be guinea pigs... Like when they tested the atom bomb etc. They sign up to protect their nation and are used. But that's for another thread!

 
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