Ethnocentrism

MortonGneiss · Nov 7, 2005

Adelheide said:
When a parent teaches a child through disceplin that stealing is wrong and yet they go and steal....and beyond that excuse why it was ok to steal....does that disprove the truth in what the parent was saying? Simply because the child did not listen?

Your analogy fails in that there is only one parent..we are talking about several thousand parents, and some of them are saying stealing is good. So, nice try.

Adelheide · Nov 7, 2005

I read it quite frequently, actually, and I find none of it terribly convincing. In my study of the Bible I have also found that the scripture is very much in line with the atrocities I condemn. And not just historically, but those currently perpetuating in the name of the Lord.[/QUOTE]

I truely believe when people read some thing contrary to there current beliefs they can find an unlimited source of reasons not to believe it. It's called reading with a preconcieved idea. Selective learning if you will. In sence if you read the bible to disprove it you will...if you read it to see if it's the truth...the truth will be revealed.

Adelheide · Nov 7, 2005

MortonGneiss said:
Your analogy fails in that there is only one parent..we are talking about several thousand parents, and some of them are saying stealing is good. So, nice try.

i was specifically talking about christianity since you seem to be so forward with targeting how the worth or excistance of our God depended on our actions. In which my analogy does not fail.

Adelheide · Nov 7, 2005

The truth of not stealing is based on our actions of wether we steal or not. Try to apply this to what you think about us christians who do not live up to the existance and worthyness of God

Adelheide · Nov 7, 2005

i'm sorry i mistyped that.

The truth that, stealing is wrong, is not based on our actions of wether we steal or not. is what i meant to say.

MortonGneiss · Nov 7, 2005

Adelheide said:
I truely believe when people read some thing contrary to there current beliefs they can find an unlimited source of reasons not to believe it. It's called reading with a preconcieved idea. Selective learning if you will. In sence if you read the bible to disprove it you will...if you read it to see if it's the truth...the truth will be revealed.

Dt.23:13 because I'm a skeptic I don't see the infinite wisdom in God saying 'always pack a trowel'. What is the 'truth' in this infallible and divine passage?

No, the truth is I'm reading it critically as if it were any other text that was the product of shephards from 3 millenia ago. People that convince themselves of meaning that isn't there are delusional, because they are inventing meaning that isn't there, or dismissing things that are there because it doesn't fit the meaning they want.

i was specifically talking about christianity since you seem to be so forward with targeting how the worth or excistance of our God depended on our actions. In which my analogy does not fail.

The truth of not stealing is based on our actions of wether we steal or not. Try to apply this to what you think about us christians who do not live up to the existance and worthyness of God

i'm sorry i mistyped that.

The truth that, stealing is wrong, is not based on our actions of wether we steal or not. is what i meant to say.

I see what you're saying now. The parent = God and the Child = Christianity
ok, well this doesn't change how completely the analogy fails. Because we have 2,000 children that believe God said something..maybe it was about stealing, but they can't really agree, it may have been something about trains. From these children how can find out if God said something about stealing, and how are we to determine what that something was?

And no more anologies, they are poor way of watering the point down. When phrased correctly the analogy mirrors my second question. So let's concern ourselves with answer that.

urnotme · Nov 7, 2005

MortonGneiss said:
Israel is a bright shiny example to the truth of that statement.

The Gospels don't offend me, they are just writing.

I think only Christians are ignorant of what Christianity is all about, converting people to the 'one' truth in a historically violent fashion.

You made a number of other points but I addressed all of them earlier, and have no wish to cover that ground again.

TTheere's a big differance in christianity and churchianity.

urnotme · Nov 7, 2005

MortonGneiss said:
The original point was that Judeo-Christianity, while being divisive enough to faction off into several thousand sects, is ethnocentric at it's core, which is why none of the factions will ever reconcile their differences.

The unanswered question is, if these beliefs aren't inherently divisive and ethnocentric then how is it possible that so many opposing sects of Christianity exist?

Another question that arises from this topic is, if several thousand sects can't agree on the correct method of appeasing their child-like God, then how can it be assumed that any of them have the answer?

It makes sense that monotheistic religions think they're right and that opposing beliefs are not right.

MortonGneiss · Nov 7, 2005

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sanaa · Nov 8, 2005

um arunma , did u miss my post becoz u have not responded to it?

arunma · Nov 8, 2005

sanaa said:
um arunma , did u miss my post becoz u have not responded to it?

I'm sorry. Remind me if I don't respond to it today.

urnotme · Nov 8, 2005

satay said:
Hey MortonGneiss,

Here comes the "I will pray for you bit".
You angry man...you need GOD and by the by you need "our" god and the only god...what you don't repent!! Okay, I will pray for you.

By the way, No Maleccha is even willing to try to "convert" me even after open invitations. They are only interested in "buying" the poor out with food, medicine and bible.

Sell me your God, Malecchas.

satay

If anybody is ethnocentric it's you.Not hinduism, it varies from person to person as well as religions.

satay · Nov 8, 2005

urnotme said:
If anybody is ethnocentric it's you.Not hinduism, it varies from person to person as well as religions.

troglodyte · Nov 8, 2005

wow... that was oxymoronic...

i think its safe to say we will always have opinions... and that is the essence of Ethnocentrism...

this topic is selfdefeating...

MortonGneiss · Nov 8, 2005

troglodyte said:
wow... that was oxymoronic...

i think its safe to say we will always have opinions... and that is the essence of Ethnocentrism...

this topic is selfdefeating...

Perhaps it would help if you had a better understanding of the concepts in question. Opinions are neither the essence of ethnocentrism nor doctrinal belief. I think if you examine those three elements, I've even provided the definition of one of them, more closely you'll understand that. You may want to lookup oxymoron as well. Websters has a lovely site, best of luck.

satay · Nov 10, 2005

What happened to all the malecchas over here? They ran away as usual?

Shame...

satay

MortonGneiss · Nov 10, 2005

satay said:
What happened to all the malecchas over here? They ran away as usual?

Shame...

satay

They're stumped. But I think the examples around this forum are evidence enough as to what the answer to my questions are.

Answers:

1) There wouldn't be so many sects if ethnocentrism and divisiveness weren't at the core of Christianity.

2) a. There is no way to know what the 'one' truth or path is according to Christianity. b. There probably isn't 'one' truth, or path and no sect is more or less correct in believing they have possession of it.

arunma · Nov 10, 2005

Morton, the problem is that you're not listening to anyone else's arguments. Your suggestion is absurd to begin with, and I think you're desperately trying to defend a belief with nothing more than your personal opinion.

MortonGneiss · Nov 10, 2005

arunma said:
Morton, the problem is that you're not listening to anyone else's arguments. Your suggestion is absurd to begin with, and I think you're desperately trying to defend a belief with nothing more than your personal opinion.

Right..the most compelling argument that's been presented is people admitting that they don't know what ethnic means...that's valuable insight. You're right, how could I refuse to tackle such frighteningly valueable input as that..oh, no wait, I did refute that without contention because I was weary of reading such blatant illiteracy.

There was another point about Christianity not being responsible for the Inquistion or the Spanish Conquest in the new world, which again was crushed.

So aside from you saying 'nuh uh', what intelligble argument have I not addressed? You seem convinced that my argument has no grounds but you don't seem willing to defend that stance, or support that position with evidence or a real argument. Again, I'm not moved by opinion (2a), either show me you can argue against my position or admit you can't a bow out with a little self-respect.

satay · Nov 10, 2005

MortonGneiss said:
Right..the most compelling argument that's been presented is people admitting that they don't know what ethnic means...that's valuable insight. You're right, how could I refuse to tackle such frighteningly valueable input as that..oh, no wait, I did refute that without contention because I was weary of reading such blatant illiteracy.

There was another point about Christianity not being responsible for the Inquistion or the Spanish Conquest in the new world, which again was crushed.

So aside from you saying 'nuh uh', what intelligble argument have I not addressed? You seem convinced that my argument has no grounds but you don't seem willing to defend that stance, or support that position with evidence or a real argument. Again, I'm not moved by opinion (2a), either show me you can argue against my position or admit you can't a bow out with a little self-respect.

It's a common thing that all malecchas do; when faced with tough questions they will either find faults in "you" instead of focusing on the issues, ban you, kill you, run away like a little girl or do all of the above.

satay

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