Ethics?

[nommo]

[8] O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.
[9] Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

[Psalm 137]

Dashing children against the stones?

 

[ebia]

[8] O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.
[9] Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

[Psalm 137]

Dashing children against the stones?

Do you have a point beyond starting umpteen threads each one lifting one "dodgy" looking verse out of context?

 

[nommo]

Do you have a point beyond starting umpteen threads each one lifting one "dodgy" looking verse out of context?

Here is your context.

1By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

2We hanged our harps upon the willows in the midst thereof.
3For there they that carried us away captive required of us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing us one of the songs of Zion.
4How shall we sing the LORD's song in a strange land?
5If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning.
6If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy.
7Remember, O LORD, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof.
8O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. 9Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

Less cruel now?

 

[kevin36]

So what exactly is your point?

If you understand the context of the verse in question you must know that it isn't God speaking, but an anguished refugee...

Are you implying lack of ethics on God's part, or... what?

 

[Nithavela]

Point taken, God's cruel, those verses have been brought up all to often. Bring some morality issues that christians can wiggle out with scripture, not some scripture issues that christians can wiggle out by ignoring them.

 

[Lynden1000]

As others have said, this verse is not put into the mouth of the biblical god, so there really isn't anything to say about it.

 

[nommo]

So what exactly is your point?

If you understand the context of the verse in question you must know that it isn't God speaking, but an anguished refugee...

Are you implying lack of ethics on God's part, or... what?

Is see, as soon as things become embarassing, it is not God speaking in God's word, but somebody else.

 

[kevin36]

Is see, as soon as things become embarassing, it is not God speaking in God's word, but somebody else.

No, not at all.

I would suggest that before you continue to make presumptious statements, you actually learn a little about the subject to which you are referring.

The Psalms were written by many several people, and at the point where you quote, the author is a refugee from a sacked Jerusalem.

There are many, many statements in the Bible that are quotes from other people and not God, and not every quote can be attributed as being in line with God's will.

If you wrote a book that quoted another source, could I then assume that every word was yours, and that any belief stated was also yours?

Don't take things out of context to promote you own views.

 

[Guyfoo]

I made a simular thread on how the bible talks about slavery and how to treat your slaves(you may beat them but don't kill them) and how its ok to sacrafice animals, stone sodamites, women not allowed to speek in churches ect..... I didn't get a straight answer maybe i will get onw now.

Now taking that the bible is the word of god, explain how this is the word of a lOVING god?

 

[nommo]

No, not at all.

I would suggest that before you continue to make presumptious statements, you actually learn a little about the subject to which you are referring.

The Psalms were written by many several people, and at the point where you quote, the author is a refugee from a sacked Jerusalem.

There are many, many statements in the Bible that are quotes from other people and not God, and not every quote can be attributed as being in line with God's will.

That means the sky is theologically the limit. How do I know when something is from God, or not?

If you wrote a book that quoted another source, could I then assume that every word was yours, and that any belief stated was also yours?

Don't take things out of context to promote you own views.

I beg your pardon?

 

[kevin36]

I beg your pardon?

It seems to me that you are claiminmg that it is God who is speaking in the verses that you referanced, where it is actually another who is being quoted.

Christians believe that the Bible is written by men through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit... that God is the author so to speak.

By saying that it is God who is speaking in those Psalms verses, it's like saying that any quote in any other book is the work of the books author, and that the author agrees completely with what is said.

If you do not believe that is is God speaking in those verses, but understand that it is another, then I could only conclude that the verses have been taken intentionally out of context so that you can make a point or implication.

As far as understanding when it is God speaking vs another, that shouldn't be harder than discerning whom it is who is speaking in any other book that has numerous speaking individuals.

 

[nommo]

Christians believe that the Bible is written by men through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit... that God is the author so to speak.

So to speak...

 

[kevin36]

So to speak...

Don't turn that around to mean something other than what I intended.

How about this: Christians believe that the Bible was written by men, through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and as the Holy Spirit is one member of the trinity that is God, those men who authored the Bible wrote the Word of God Himself, as inspired by Him.

God WAS the author, with men being the instrument through which it was given to other men.

Please don't try to turn that around.

 

[nommo]

Don't turn that around to mean something other than what I intended.

How about this: Christians believe that the Bible was written by men, through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and as the Holy Spirit is one member of the trinity that is God, those men who authored the Bible wrote the Word of God Himself, as inspired by Him.

God WAS the author, with men being the instrument through which it was given to other men.

Please don't try to turn that around.

I'm not turning that around. You were the one who started to turn a little with the words:

that God is the author so to speak.

Thereby at least slightly turning:

God WAS the author.

 

[kevin36]

I'm not turning that around. You were the one who started to turn a little with the words:



Thereby at least slightly turning:

"So to speak" was in referance to the words actually beng penned by men, not actually by God's physical hand. He was the author, but He didn't actually put pen to paper- He had men do it for Him.