Ethics in voting

[HuntingMan]

I cant stand either candidate.
Im basically republican, tho I cant stand most of the republicans that have been in office either, so who knows...

Heres the question.
If I cant stand either candidate and wouldnt want either of the nimrods in office under any circumstances, is it ethical for me to vote republican in an attempt simply to keep the democrat out of office?

People keep telling me to vote, but I cant in good conscience vote for either person running.

I solved the problem again this time around by making sure I 'forgot' to register, but the question still remains....is it ethical to vote for Mccain when I think hes as bad as Osama....er....Obama... just to keep a republican in office?

 

[Zebra1552]

I cant stand either candidate.
Im basically republican, tho I cant stand most of the republicans that have been in office either, so who knows...

Heres the question.
If I cant stand either candidate and wouldnt want either of the nimrods in office under any circumstances, is it ethical for me to vote republican in an attempt simply to keep the democrat out of office?

People keep telling me to vote, but I cant in good conscience vote for either person running.

I solved the problem again this time around by making sure I 'forgot' to register, but the question still remains....is it ethical to vote for Mccain when I think hes as bad as Osama....er....Obama... just to keep a republican in office?

Dude, if you're going to start a thread about the ethics of voting you can leave out your attacks on either of them. Just because their policies are not the greatest does not give you the right to start calling one of them a terrorist.

Do whatever you feel is best. As for me, I'm voting on one issue- education- and ignoring the rest for fear of never deciding. In fact, I already have voted.

 

[pgp_protector]

Vote 3rd Party then.
You can then vote according to what you believe is right.

 

[HuntingMan]

Dude, if you're going to start a thread about the ethics of voting you can leave out your attacks on either of them.

No one asked you to read or respond here. Ill voice my opinion as *I* see fit within the rules of this forum....is that in ANY way unclear to you ?

Do whatever you feel is best. As for me, I'm voting on one issue- education- and ignoring the rest for fear of never deciding. In fact, I already have voted.

So you'd vote for some who is say against some constitutional rights if they were doing what you wanted for education ?

There is where Im having problems.
BOTH candidates absolutely stink on far too many issues.
McCain will keep us in this Iraq thing till the cows come home....Obamas voting record shows that hes against our 2nd amendments rights (regardless of his denial of that fact).
I cant vote for either one of them without feeling like a sellout.

 

[Zebra1552]

No one asked you to read or respond here. Ill voice my opinion as *I* see fit within the rules of this forum....is that in ANY way unclear to you ?

No, Mr. Hostile, it is not unclear. But the rules of this forum talk about rude posts, and it's not very nice to call people terrorists when you have no proof. Not only that, this is an ethics forum, and you are talking about the ethics of voting, yet in the same breath you identify a presidential candidate with terrorists even though there is no connection whatsoever. That's lying and rude, not to mention gossip and intellectually dishonest. If you want to talk about things being ethical you should be prepared to hear from all sides rather than what you want to hear. It's also not how Christ would act. Should I go on and explain why campaign mudslinging is wrong, or have I made MY point clear, sir?

So you'd vote for some who is say against some constitutional rights if they were doing what you wanted for education ?

Red herring, what on earth does that have to do with voting on one issue alone? Nothing. It's my decision. I'm allowed to voice my opinion and tell you how I decided this election so long as you are talking about the ethics of voting. I did what I consider the right thing to do. I suggest you do the same.

 

[Diven]

A friend of mine was quoting someone who said "You should exercise your right to vote, in order to preserve democracy." Basically if people stop voting then democracy stops working. Investigate the platforms of each leader and compare how they stand on the most important issues for you. If after that you can't make a distinction between the available candidates then you can not vote or submit a spoiled ballot. But I think most people if they spend a decent amount of time researching the candidates position on the issues can come to a conclusion about which they prefer, even if they might not be overly impressed by any of the candidates. If you consider yourself a republican then likely John McCain's policies are closer to your preferences, however if you are more moderate, it is possible Obama's policies might be a slightly better choice.

 

[HuntingMan]

No, Mr. Hostile, it is not unclear. But the rules of this forum talk about rude posts, and it's not very nice to call people terrorists when you have no proof. Not only that, this is an ethics forum, and you are talking about the ethics of voting, yet in the same breath you identify a presidential candidate with terrorists even though there is no connection whatsoever. That's lying and rude, not to mention gossip and intellectually dishonest. If you want to talk about things being ethical you should be prepared to hear from all sides rather than what you want to hear. It's also not how Christ would act. Should I go on and explain why campaign mudslinging is wrong, or have I made MY point clear, sir?


Red herring, what on earth does that have to do with voting on one issue alone? Nothing. It's my decision. I'm allowed to voice my opinion and tell you how I decided this election so long as you are talking about the ethics of voting. I did what I consider the right thing to do. I suggest you do the same.

Again...you can find some other thread to post in, poster...have a nice day

 

[HuntingMan]

A friend of mine was quoting someone who said "You should exercise your right to vote, in order to preserve democracy." Basically if people stop voting then democracy stops working.

I hadnt considered that point.

Investigate the platforms of each leader and compare how they stand on the most important issues for you. If after that you can't make a distinction between the available candidates then you can not vote or submit a spoiled ballot. But I think most people if they spend a decent amount of time researching the candidates position on the issues can come to a conclusion about which they prefer, even if they might not be overly impressed by any of the candidates. If you consider yourself a republican then likely John McCain's policies are closer to your preferences, however if you are more moderate, it is possible Obama's policies might be a slightly better choice.

 

[Zebra1552]

Again...you can find some other thread to post in, poster...have a nice day

I can post in this thread if I want. You do not have the right to ban me from this thread just because you do not agree with me.

 

[Stinker]

I would have voted for Obama if he had been civil enough to be friendly to Hillary and shake her hand when she reached out to shake his. If the news media had not hyped his campain while at the same time tore down Hillary's. If he had not thrown his Pastor and Church of 20 years under the bus for the sake of political gain. I would have voted for McCain if he had not been so blinded and hardened by money that he cannot even begin to understand how people who make under $50,000 per year live from day to day. Who (like Ronold Reagan) believes that if we 'spread the wealth' by rewarding the super-rich with great tax cuts, that they will in turn, reward the working class with extra money too. It was proven during the Reagan years that the Trickle-Down theory does not work. No extra money trickles down to the working class. The super-rich keep that extra money for themselves.


So, since what I saw of McCain during his last debate with Obama, that his mental capability has declined severely, I voted for his running mate Gov. Palin. If he is elected I do believe that it will not be very long before she has to take over. She is a true Reformer.

 

[HuntingMan]

I can post in this thread if I want. You do not have the right to ban me from this thread just because you do not agree with me.

Ditto.

 

[angrylittlefisherman]

Bob Barr 2008!!!!
http://www.bobbarr2008.com/

You know what I love about philosophy and ethics? It calls for objectivity and frowns, nay, despises name calling and emotional responses. I think that the interactions between two certain users is rather unnecessary and possibly inane.

"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." - John Quincy Adams

 

[chingchang]

Hey HuntingMan! You and I are similar is this regard. I voted for Ron Paul in the primary...but alas...

Anywho, I early-voted today for the Libertarian candidate...more as a "no confidence" vote rather than actually wanting Bob Barr to become President. I've become thoroughly convinced that our country was hijacked long ago and the two party system is an illusion of choice. I'm convinced that our country has taken the lead on building-out the world-wide system through which the antiChrist will ascend to power one day. Voting for a Democrat or Republican simply supports that system. I want to elect someone that will kick the UN out of New York...abolish the Federal Reserve and return us to the Gold Standard. That will never happen...so really what I want now is for the end to come as soon as possible so we can live in the physical kingdom in the physical presence of Jesus the King of Kings.

BTW...Obama may not be a Christian...but he most certainly is not a Muslim. Goto factcheck.org and read about that. He most certainly was NOT sworn in to the US Senate on the Koran. Most of the crap e-mails that everyone gets regarding Obama are outright lies about the man. I will say in hindsight that we should have been more scared to elect Bush than we are to elect Obama. I firmly believe that Bush is not a Christian because there is no fruit in his leadership. He doesn't make decisions based on Biblical principals...rather does the bidding of the power elite like he has no brain of his own. I can't believe I voted for him twice...

Hugs,
chingchang

I cant stand either candidate.
Im basically republican, tho I cant stand most of the republicans that have been in office either, so who knows...

Heres the question.
If I cant stand either candidate and wouldnt want either of the nimrods in office under any circumstances, is it ethical for me to vote republican in an attempt simply to keep the democrat out of office?

People keep telling me to vote, but I cant in good conscience vote for either person running.

I solved the problem again this time around by making sure I 'forgot' to register, but the question still remains....is it ethical to vote for Mccain when I think hes as bad as Osama....er....Obama... just to keep a republican in office?

 

[plmarquette]

we all are flawed vessels....we vote for some one who can influence others and lead the party....

we vote for the platform...and republicans are more christian than democrats

we can vote out the perpetual candidates , to get some new blood, less experienced crooks...but never do ...we keep putting the same demon oppressed men and women back in office and expect different results.....duh?

do some research ...are there not voter guides...blogs....

which platform and candidate lines up with 1 Corinthians 6.9 ...sins uto death..

 

[fivepointTULIP]

I can't stand either party- I'm going for Chuck Baldwin, whom Ron Paul endorsed. I'm unimpressed with Bob Barr's history, and really consider him something of a faux-libertarian.

 

[HuntingMan]

I can't stand either party- I'm going for Chuck Baldwin, whom Ron Paul endorsed. I'm unimpressed with Bob Barr's history, and really consider him something of a faux-libertarian.

Im voting for this guy...

http://www.web77.org/htd.jpg

 

[HuntingMan]

BTW...Obama may not be a Christian...but he most certainly is not a Muslim.
Hugs,
chingchang

Oh I know....the comment was just a pot shot since I like him less than I would have Hilary C (dont like her much either, but more than Obama for sure).

Im casting my vote for Howard the Duck.

 

[fivepointTULIP]

I just bust a gut laughing! I love your Howard the Duck!! Great levity for an overly serious topic!

 

[MarkSB]

Howard the Duck!!


I truly understand your position, I was just thinking of the same thing today. On one side is a man who supports war and tax cuts for the wealthy, and on the other side is a pro-choice candidate who seems to oppose gun rights, and whose supporters are in favor of socialism.

If Obama were pro-life I would vote for the guy. Some of his background sends up some red flags for me as well. But I like his economic plan, it is clear and should stimulate the economy.

As for McCain, some of his ideas seem more socialist than Obama's (he wants to buy up bad mortgages??) His health care plan could end up in disaster. But there could be several positions opening in the Supreme Court, and I know McCain will nominate conservative justices who support life and 2nd amendment rights.

So yeah, I'm in the same position. It's tough to vote in good conscience for either candidate. When I vote for someone I somehow feel responsible for everything they do in office, and that's not neccesarily the case. Just got to go with your gut and hope for the best.

HTH

 

[HuntingMan]

Howard the Duck!!


I truly understand your position, I was just thinking of the same thing today. On one side is a man who supports war and tax cuts for the wealthy, and on the other side is a pro-choice candidate who seems to oppose gun rights, and whose supporters are in favor of socialism.

Those of been the two biggest factors for me.
McCain....that guy will keep our kids in Iraq for the rest of our natural lives....the same reason I stopped liking Bush very quickly. Hes nothing but a warmonger...sorry if that offends anyone.
The tax thing I guess we can just assume after this huge bailout...somethings got to give, tho its irritating as all get out.

Obama....whew...his voting record on 2nd amendment rights speaks for itself about how he views our rights. He denies it, but the history is there. His comments on the matter dont even sound convincing and even many democrats dont seem to be sure of where the guy stands.

Im not a gun nut or anything, but I am a hunter/shooter (I dont sport hunt, I eat what I take, btw tho I do believe in keeping certain animal populations down regardless) and Obamas statements have made it clear that if he cant get to the guns he's going after the ammunition instead (which he doesnt seem to think is protected by the 2nd amendment).

Im at a point where flipping a coin would probably do a better job of picking the better candidate and at least wouldnt be so much time, energy and money wasted.

If Obama were pro-life I would vote for the guy. Some of his background sends up some red flags for me as well. But I like his economic plan, it is clear and should stimulate the economy.

Sort of stinks...the democrats typically end up doing better for the economy over all, but the things they want to allow just ruin the whole campaign.
Im against using abortion for birth control. I do understand that sometimes one is necessary, say if both mother and child are going to die and an abortion will save the mother, so I believe we have to keep it available in some circumstances, but not just as a 'choice'.

So yeah, I'm in the same position. It's tough to vote in good conscience for either candidate. When I vote for someone I somehow feel responsible for everything they do in office, and that's not neccesarily the case. Just got to go with your gut and hope for the best.

HTH

I had contemplated voting for the one who might to the least amount of damage, but frankly its hard to tell who that would be.