Eternity

[Ariellamb]

Eternity
Gods eternity stretches back in ‘eternity past’ as far as the eternal ages future will ever be.
What has God been doing in all the eternal ages past
as ‘Creator’ is in His very make up and being ?

Scripture shows many ranks ,types, orders, of celestial beings living well before the 7 days of creation in Gen 1.

Eternity past is an incredible pointer as to just how great our God is.
Lucifer created perfect,yet led a rebellion against God to the extent of a third of the angels following him in it.
How far back was this in eternity A Million years, a billion years,100 billion years ?

What of the demons - there origin
Altogether different from angels as they crave a body to inhabit. Angels have there own angelic bodies.

God has declared that He would give a bride to His Son.
How far back did God start this selection and indeed its preparation to be in place in the very countries and families which would mould them by His Grace into the very image of His Son,who would one day take them as His bride to then rule and reign with Him on His throne?

 

[ebia]

What?

 

[LiturgyInDMinor]

I'm kinda confused with this OP.

 

[Ariellamb]

ok you may need a little time to think about the q's b4 you have any thoughts on them if you have never thought in this direction b4.

1/ Is God Eternal
2/ What was He doing b4 He Created the world (Some say it is 6000yrs old)
3/ Eternity Stretches in 2 directions- Past & Future
4/ What has God been doing in the past Billions of light yrs?

 

[vivid]

Hi Ariellamb, we don't know the answers.

Scripture is silent and I don't think there is an answer anywhere else.
I think if we needed to know, He would of told us.

 

[Ariellamb]

Perhaps He has but we did not see it because we were not looking for one.

 

[Ariellamb]

The world was always round but for thousands of yrs we were convinced it was flat but that didn't make it flat.
So too here the Q's are not asked because of the 'supposed' silence,but I am convinced there is much in the Bible that speaks to the ones who are looking.

 

[vivid]

Perhaps, but I don't think so.
I think some would of found those kinds of answers already if that were so.

 

[LiturgyInDMinor]

ok you may need a little time to think about the q's b4 you have any thoughts on them if you have never thought in this direction b4.

1/ Is God Eternal
2/ What was He doing b4 He Created the world (Some say it is 6000yrs old)
3/ Eternity Stretches in 2 directions- Past & Future
4/ What has God been doing in the past Billions of light yrs?

1.) Yep.
2.) No clue. That'd be cool to know...I'll ask Him if he's not too backed up with appointments after I pass on into Glory.
3.) No it is beyond time....it stretches in at least 4 directions.
4.) No clue see point 2.

 

[Ariellamb]

For 5000yrs all except the Spirit of God said He sat on the circle of the earth,but few saw it there in Isaiah.
Jesus did say He would reveal to us truth and His word by His Spirit,but few enquire I believe.
I thought of this thread title as a means of stretching our spirits and ultimately it will lead to higher Worship from us.

 

[ebia]

ok you may need a little time to think about the q's b4 you have any thoughts on them if you have never thought in this direction b4.

1/ Is God Eternal

In what sense are you using the word 'eternal'? It tends to get used/misused for 3 very different things:
a) outside of or without time
b) infinite time
c) the age to come

2/ What was He doing b4 He Created the world (Some say it is 6000yrs old)

If, as both Genesis 1 and physics suggest, time is part of creation there is no 'before' if we are being accurate about it. God exists. Time beings with creation (and ends with creation if creation ever ends).

3/ Eternity Stretches in 2 directions- Past & Future

It's not at all clear that its true - at least for the same sense of 'Eternity'. The age to come after the resurrection is most like the period between creation and fall, not 'before' creation.

4/ What has God been doing in the past Billions of light yrs?

(I presume you mean billions of years - a light-year is a measurement of distance not time.) Creating.

 

[Ariellamb]

Our level now- three dimensions of space and one dimension of time.
God must exist in more than three dimensions of space and one dimension of time, if He is indeed God.

The Bible says the universe cannot contain God , indicating He must exist and operate in dimensions of space and time other than those to which we are confined.

The Bible also says God created time and was acting before time began , confirming that God exists in at least two dimensions of time. A single dimension of time (a line) has a beginning point and can only travel in one direction. Two dimensions of time (a plane) has no beginning or ending so that a being existing in such a plane would be free to move to any point along any line of time within that plane.
Both of these descriptions of God are confirmed by what we know from science.
According to particle physics and relativity, at least
nine dimensions of space existed at the creation of
the universe. God must be able to operate in all of
those nine dimensions in order to have created the universe.

A verse from the book of Hebrews indicates God created the universe out of some of the dimensions of space and time which are not visible to us .

Therefore, if God created the universe, He was acting before the creation of time,
indicating He exists in at least two dimensions of time.
If God existed in only one dimension of time, then He would have had to have been created at one point. The Bible says God was not created, but has existed from eternity past to eternity future.

 

[Ariellamb]

Gods eternity stretches back in ‘eternity past’ as far as the eternal ages future will ever be.
What has God been doing in all the eternal ages past
as ‘Creator’ is in His very make up and being ?

Scripture shows many ranks ,types, orders, of celestial beings living well before the 7 days of creation in Gen 1.

Eternity past is an incredible pointer as to just how great our God is.
Lucifer created perfect,yet led a rebellion against God to the extent of a third of the angels following him in it.
How far back was this in eternity A Million years, a billion years,100 billion years ?

Many times when in worship I wonder & ask Him about this matter,it leads to utter wonder of His Magnificence and Eternal attributes.
Oh for a thousand tongues to sing.....and minds to wonder to gaze upon such a Glory as Him

 

[LiturgyInDMinor]

God exists outside of our dimension and time, and that as such we cannot ever comprehend here in our present existence.

Thankyou for listening.

 

[ebia]

Our level now- three dimensions of space and one dimension of time.
God must exist in more than three dimensions of space and one dimension of time, if He is indeed God.

The Bible says the universe cannot contain God , indicating He must exist and operate in dimensions of space and time other than those to which we are confined.

No. Indicating that he is beyond all creation. To phrase that in terms of "dimensions of space and time" is to try to use language that works only for creation to apply to God. God is simply outside (and inside) space and time.

The Bible also says God created time and was acting before time began ,

Strictly speaking one can't have both, but language has a problem expressing that. God exists. God created time. One cannot properly speak of "before time" - there is no such thing.

confirming that God exists in at least two dimensions of time.

No it doesn't. It confirms that God is outside (as well as inside) time.

A single dimension of time (a line) has a beginning point ...Two dimensions of time (a plane) has no beginning or ending ...

Mathematical nonsense. A line can be bounded or unbounded, a plane can be bounded or unbounded.

A single dimension of time (a line) ... can only travel in one direction.

A line is no more bound to a single direction than a plane. It just only has two directions.

Everything you have said is Star-Trek level techno-babble.

Both of these descriptions of God are confirmed by what we know from science.
According to particle physics and relativity, at least
nine dimensions of space existed at the creation of
the universe. God must be able to operate in all of
those nine dimensions in order to have created the universe.

God is in every aspect of the universe and more, but you can't talk about that meaningfully by inventing some extra dimensions for God to be in. God being beyond creation makes him beyond the scope of that language.

A verse from the book of Hebrews indicates God created the universe out of some of the dimensions of space and time which are not visible to us .

The dimensions of space and time are part of creation. Trying to read 21st century physics out of the book of Hebrews is absurd - that's not the language it is writen in.

Therefore, if God created the universe, He was acting before the creation of time,
indicating He exists in at least two dimensions of time.

Doesn't work, see above. All one should really say is "God is". It would be better still if we had a completely time-independent version of the verb to be.

If God existed in only one dimension of time, then He would have had to have been created at one point.

No, God simply exists. What you are running into is the problem that natural languages like English, Greek and Hebrew are incapable of speaking in a way that doesn't invoke time - which is why physicists drop down to mathematics.

The Bible says God was not created, but has existed from eternity past to eternity future.

Depends what you mean by eternity. That's not generally a biblical word. God's exists - his existance is not time-dependent. God created everything including time. God doesn't cease to exist. And that's about all you can say without being wrong. If by eternity one means time going on forever there is no eternity past.

 

[LiturgyInDMinor]

Beyond time and space = TARDIS.

Thankyou Doctor.

allons-y!!!!



Ok, no Doctor Who fans here in GT eh?
LOL

 

[ebia]

Gods eternity stretches back in ‘eternity past’ as far as the eternal ages future will ever be.

This is meaningless gibberish on so many levels it's hard to know where to start.

Time is part of creation, therefore one cannot correctly talk of 'eternity past'

What has God been doing in all the eternal ages past
as ‘Creator’ is in His very make up and being ?

From the beginning of creation, which is the beginning of time, he has been creating.

Scripture shows many ranks ,types, orders, of celestial beings living well before the 7 days of creation in Gen 1.

Depends how you read it.

Eternity past is an incredible pointer as to just how great our God is.

"Eternity past" doesn't exist, so I hope not!

Lucifer created perfect,yet led a rebellion against God to the extent of a third of the angels following him in it.
How far back was this in eternity A Million years, a billion years,100 billion years ?

Either such an event happened within creation, or it did not happen as an event, or it is meaningless to put a time on it. One cannot put a time on anything outside creation - it's utterly meaningless to do so.

Many times when in worship I wonder & ask Him about this matter,it leads to utter wonder of His Magnificence and Eternal attributes.

Some words from Monty Python spring to mind!

 

[Ariellamb]

If the header/concept is gibberish I suggest you steer clear of this thread.
I am not here to argue with you but to explore the Glories of God.

If a mind set does not/is not able to enter into The Attributes of Gods Eternity then fine,pls move on as the idea for exploring this subject is not to throw scorn at anyone, or what they are seeking to express,but rather in seeking to enter into the spirit of the Being of God, b4 the creation of this small physical world.

Looking at scripture and its Answers then working backwards in trying to find the Q's as to what was God doing b4 He created this world.

 

[Ariellamb]

Ezekiel 28
12Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. 19All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.


Isaiah 14
12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; 17That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

Two very interesting passages with reference to Satans past,where the Spirit of Prophesy(Jesus) through the Prophets digresses away from earthly rulers into another realm.

Many commentators see these passages of Scripture as setting out the Office of Satan in his Unfallen state b4 his introduction in Genesis 3 as tempter to Adam & Eve in the new Paradise on earth.
This begs the Q as to that spirit world b4 the Genesis account and what is Ezekiel talking about?

The origin of Demons is also an interesting study as to where did/could they have originated from.

The Angels and their creation together with their Fall as spoken of by Jude etc.

When did all this occurrences start,how far back in Gods eternity.

To just 'squeeze' them into the 7 days of creation prior to Adams test seems to me to be some what Squeezed.

 

[Ariellamb]

God exists outside of our dimension and time, and that as such we cannot ever comprehend here in our present existence.

Thankyou for listening.

That is why He has given us of His Spirit & His word plus an enquiring soul when we worship.

In Heaven they rest not day or night Worshipping saying-

“ Holy, holy, holy,
Lord God Almighty,
Who was and is and is to come!”

Who was is on their minds and in their worship,do we?