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[Strathos]

Yes, that is true.

 

[AV1611VET]

This may come as a surprise, but neither am I.

As for the topic at hand, the Allies won WW2. The US certainly contributed, but in truth the majority of the credit would probably go to the USSR.

Did we put a man on the moon? or is that question too hard as well?

 

[AV1611VET]

It is certainly true the USSR gave the greatest deal of human sacrifice (deaths), and I would agree the USSR contributed the most in defeating Germany, you also have to factor in the US was fighting with Japan as well.

Oh, did we fight Japan too? or is this question too hard?

 

[contango]

Saying "no offense" after a string of insults is like saying "sorry" while hitting the gas pedal at a red light. Just saying.

And you can explain it all you want. It doesn't change the fact that you are making the assumption that the bible is reliable and accurate in the information it presents. As it has not met that burden of proof to any degree beyond any other religious text throughout history, you can craft whatever convinient excuses you need to try and make it fit the evidence and facts of reality you want and it doesn't change the facts.

And until I saw evidence to support that a god existed, came to earth in human form and violated several laws of physics, then you'd be correct that I would dismiss the claims.

Physical evidence of something that is alleged to have happened 2000 years ago is inevitably going to be a tricky thing to produce, especially when different people have different standards of evidence they would consider convincing.

So much of this ultimately comes down to an issue of faith based on whatever evidence each of us has individually seen. That might be something that convinces me but leaves you utterly unmoved; it might be something that leaves you in no doubt but leaves me utterly unconvinced. In that regard it's really no different to if the two of us were out walking and saw a bridge over a ravine that looked a bit rickety - you might have heard from someone you trusted that the bridge was strong and on that basis decide to trust it while I might look at it and decide to turn back. Maybe one of us had crossed it before and knew from direct experience it was stronger than it looked; maybe one of us had seen an animal fall through it and on that basis knew it was weak. Either way whatever evidence we had seen or heard could be dismissed as anectdotal by the other if they didn't want to accept it.

Eyewitness testimony relating to anything is only as useful as the amount of trust you are willing to put in the witness. In simplistic terms we might accept the eyewitness account of a Methodist priest (who can generally be assumed to be sober at all times) over and above a differing eyewitness account of a habitual drunkard or a person known to use other mind-altering substances, especially when the latter's testimony appears far-fetched.

Sometimes all we have are testimonies of others and we can choose to believe them or disbelieve them. For example I have personally seen no evidence that any land exists to the west of the Mississippi river and so on that basis my belief is that what people say is the Mississippi is actually the start of the Pacific. Sure, I've heard a few people claim to have visited areas with fancy sounding names like Colorado and Nevada but in the absence of any evidence I don't believe them. I've talked to a few people online who claim to live in places like California and Oregon but I think they're just making it up to try and fool the gullible Englishman. Sure, I've seen maps and atlases and postcards with text like "Greetings from Oregon" on them but they're easy enough to fabricate - I could take any old coastal picture and claim it was the Oregon coast when anyone knows that Oregon is just a made-up place.

Silly example I know, but I think it makes the point.

 

[Strathos]

Did we put a man on the moon? or is that question too hard as well?

"We", meaning either the USA, NASA, or humanity as a whole, did indeed send several people to the moon.

Of course there are some who deny this, as is the case with many scientifically established facts.

 

[AV1611VET]

"We", meaning either the USA, NASA, or humanity as a whole, did indeed send several people to the moon.

Of course there are some who deny this, as is the case with many scientifically established facts.

Too hard -- got it.

BTW, my two-year old nephew said, "yes."

But then, he just likes to look at the pictures, and all that scientific rhetoric can take a hike.

Thus he doesn't have pronoun confusion.

If he wants that, he doesn't have to listen to a scientist talk; all he has to do is watch Abbot & Costello.

 

[Strathos]

I answered your question, didn't I?

 

[AV1611VET]

I answered your question, didn't I?

Yes.