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... and God saw that it was good.
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That is God's Personal intervention. It is rejected by TE as a possible factor of evolution.
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So you say God has never played an active part in human history? What do you call the Incarnation then? I wonder what Mark Kennedy would say to all of this...
I am not the one who had the problem with them.My response is short and sweet comment to all verses your listed.
If you have problems on any particular one, we can talk about it.
John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, "My Father is working until now, and I am working."Juv to glaudys said:1. So, does our Lord sustains this universe mean that He has to work 24/7? What a poor lord if it were true.
I am not the one who had the problem with them.
John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, "My Father is working until now, and I am working."
Don't know about Jesus being 24/7, we do know he slept. Certainly the 7 though. This was the Sabbath. As for his father in heaven... Psalm 121:4 Behold, he who keeps Israel will neither slumber nor sleep.Welcome to the camp of literalism.
But, I think you seems to be worse than that. I don't see the Father and the Son work 24/7 in that verse.
And being with Jesus? Are you kidding?May be it would be YOU who will work 24/7 when you arrive to there. Are you sure you still want to go?
You seem to think God isn't infinitely powerful and gets tired.1. So, does our Lord sustains this universe mean that He has to work 24/7? What a poor lord if it were true.
1. So, does our Lord sustains this universe mean that He has to work 24/7? What a poor lord if it were true.
2. Does the sustaining of every functions continuously include the appearance of new functions? If there were no new function, how did a chimp become a human? If new function appears, what does "sustain" mean anyway?
But of course! He could only go six days before He needed a break, after all.You seem to think God isn't infinitely powerful and gets tired.
Yes work 24/7, but that's no problem for God.
Indirectly. What is sustained in this instance is the process of evolution. New functions appear because evolution happens. So new functions are not direct creations in and of themselves but modifications of older functions generated by evolutionary change. The process of evolutionary change is what is constantly sustained.
A god works 24/7 is only a god, not The God. Otherwise, He would want neither angels nor us. A nonstop working God is not a correct theological concept about God.
When God does something Himself, it must be something special and is particularly meaningful, such as God curses the land after the sin.
"Creation" here is a reserved word.
Well, God certainly doesn't need angels or us. After all God existed from eternity without us. God did not create because he lacked something.
Your proposal could have been taken from the Enuma Elish instead of the bible. In that creation story the gods did make humans because the gods did not like having to do the work of sustaining creation after it was finished. So they made humans to do the work and let them have leisure.
But many scholars agree that one of the significant messages of the biblical creation story is to contradict the view of the Enuma Elish.
So, you really do believe in an absent God, a god of the gaps. I don't know where you are getting your theology from, but it is not a recognizable biblical theology.
So say you. But scripture doesn't reserve the term to the 6-days of Genesis.
A god works 24/7 is only a god, not The God. Otherwise, He would want neither angels nor us. A nonstop working God is not a correct theological concept about God.
Indeed, as a creationist, I have never thought what should be the definition of creation. Do you know a good one? Just "to make up something new" will not work. To make a unique painting is not an example of creation either.
How about: "Something could not be explained by science"? Better, but not good enough.
How about: A unique thing done by God? Unique means one and only one. It seems still has problem.
Can somebody page mark kennedy? We have a Creationist denying God's role in redemptive history here! Does MK realise what kind of beliefs are held in the Creationist camp?
So Juvie why are you sidestepping these texts?
Psalm 139:13 - For you formed my inmost being. You knit me together in my mother's womb
John 5:17 - My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working
Col 1:17 - And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together
Heb 1:3 - ...and he upholds the universe by the word of his power
Is God still involved in his creation or not?
Creation out of nothing. We can create, but need materials and ideas to work with before we can start.
The godhead builds the world playfully, countless times, and always in something different.
Heidegger, Martin The Essence of Truth On Platos Cave Allegory and Theaetetus [Continuum, 2002, Sadler, Ted trans., p. 10]
Sure, it is creation. The definition has never been limited to God's creative work. Since we are made in the image of God, we are also creative. Artists, architects, designers, chefs, a child with a package of crayons, they all create. The one difference is that humans are limited to creating out of materials which already exist while God is not. But God also creates from what already exists: he created dirt and then created living things from dirt.
No that would define "miracle" not "creation". And it would limit God to working via miracles, something scripture does not do. God works both through supernatural and natural means.
Why not "something new"? That is biblical. "Behold I make all things new".
Each species, even each individual is something new and unique. That is why we can speak of God creating each and every one of us.
Can stars still form today?
Can new "kinds" still form today?
You are a little behind in this discussion.
If you can tell me what creation is, then I can answer your questions.
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