ERVs place common descent beyond any reasonable doubt.

[bhsmte]

Now your talking about the doctors not the drug companys. The doctors want to avoid malpractice law suits because that can put them out of business, so that is their main priority. If they lose their insurance then they lose their privilege to practice medicine in that hospital. The insurance company has the most to gain when people are healthy.

Well, if a patient has a blockage causing damage to the heart tissue, probably a good idea to use a drug that can open up that blockage in literally minutes, don't ya think?

Or, should the doc send them home with a diet plan and exercise regime and hope everything works out?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Well, if a patient has a blockage causing damage to the heart tissue, probably a good idea to use a drug that can open up that blockage in literally minutes, don't ya think?

Or, should the doc send them home with a diet plan and exercise regime and hope everything works out?

Something like that happened to my dad. At the end of the work day he could not move his hand so he want to the emergency room where they gave him a drug to break up a blood clot. They kept him that night for observation then the next morning he left the hospital and went straight to work.

 

[joshua 1 9]

The surgery in many cases, saves their life.

In the extream cases they are able to extend life but the results are controversial because the studies contradict.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1273712/

 

[joshua 1 9]

Well, if a patient has a blockage causing damage to the heart tissue, probably a good idea to use a drug that can open up that blockage in literally minutes, don't ya think?

Or, should the doc send them home with a diet plan and exercise regime and hope everything works out?

Of course they should try diet first. But if the patient does not comply then surgery maybe indicated. I have no problem with surgery, it is fairly safe and a lot less evasive then it use to be so that people recover fairly fast and somewhat easy. Placebo surgery is actually a very effective treatment.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-h-newman-md/placebo-surgery_b_4545071.html

 

[bhsmte]

In the extream cases they are able to extend life but the results are controversial because the studies contradict.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1273712/

What studies?

 

[bhsmte]

Of course they should try diet first. But if the patient does not comply then surgery maybe indicated. I have no problem with surgery, it is fairly safe and a lot less evasive then it use to be so that people recover fairly fast and somewhat easy. Placebo surgery is actually a very effective treatment.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-h-newman-md/placebo-surgery_b_4545071.html

Please explain in detail, what placebo surgery is.

 

[joshua 1 9]

What studies?

Did you click on the link?

 

[bhsmte]

Did you click on the link?

That one study, only addressed one specific cardiac procedure and the results appeared to be mixed, with one large group not reporting as of yet.

 

[bhsmte]

Of course they should try diet first. But if the patient does not comply then surgery maybe indicated. I have no problem with surgery, it is fairly safe and a lot less evasive then it use to be so that people recover fairly fast and somewhat easy. Placebo surgery is actually a very effective treatment.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-h-newman-md/placebo-surgery_b_4545071.html

I quote from your article below, which supports the entire point I have been making in this thread:

"To be sure, many conditions require surgery, and surgical procedures have contributed to important increases in longevity and quality of life in industrialized settings."

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

This is my FAQ. Further questions and comments would be most welcome. Just check that your question has not already been covered. Thanks.

1. Retroviruses replicate by invading the cells of host organisms, converting their RNA genomes into DNA, and inserting (integrating, in the jargon) the DNA into the DNA of the host cell. The host cell then "reads" the viral DNA, resulting in the production of more viruses.
2. Retroviruses tend to target certain types of cells. Their "environment" proteins tend to be specialized to attach to the surfaces of these cells.
3. The insertion is made by a retroviral enzyme called integrase. While certain retroviruses can show a general tendency to insert their DNA in certain types of regions of the host genome, they do not target specific points (loci).
4. We find, in the genomes of creatures such as ourselves and chimpanzees, inherited structures that appear to be broken retroviral insertions. Some are more complete than others, but many have the full set of genes that would be necessary for a complete retrovirus, were they not faulty. We call these structures endogenous retroviruses (ERVs). They appear in the exact same spots in the DNA of every cell.
5. Although certain components of some ERVs perform functions in the host, one or two even being essential in some species, design, as an explanation for ERVs, does not make any sense. A designer would have no need to include specifically retroviral genes in its designs, which now do nothing, or can even cause harm. There would also be no need to design in non-functional traces of the action of integrase, traces of which are present in ERVs.
6. The only explanation that makes any sense is that ERVs are the result of retroviral insertions into germ-line DNA - egg cells or sperm cells, followed by reproduction and consequent cell division. Cell division will duplicate the ERVs in the same positions in the DNA of every cell. Separate, parallel infection would not infect every cell, and the ERVs would end up in different locations, comparing one infected cell with another.
7. All human beings have some 200,000+ ERV and ERV fragments in the DNA of every one of their cells. Most of them are in identical DNA locations going from cell to cell, and person to person. This means that we all share common ancestors - the ancestors that first acquired each of the the germ-line retroviral infections.
8. All human beings and chimpanzees have some 200,000+ ERV and ERV fragments in the DNA of every one of their cells. Most of them are in precisely corresponding DNA locations going from cell to cell, and individual to individual. This means that we all share common ancestors - the ancestors that first acquired each of the the germ-line retroviral infections. See http://www.evolutionarymodel.com/ervs.htm#Amount_of_Shared_ERVs

Excellent post. People who dispute the ERV evidence invariably fail to supply any alternate reasonable interpretation.

 

[Loudmouth]

A friendly suggestion. Could we prevent yet another good thread from being drug off topic by Joshua 1 9's obsession with diets?

 

[bhsmte]

A friendly suggestion. Could we prevent yet another good thread from being drug off topic by Joshua 1 9's obsession with diets?

You would have about the same success as getting Michael to not bring up his plasma stuff.