ERASING CHRISTIANITY...

[Ampmonster]

"lawyers are a necessary evil"
but now there are 30 lawyers for every common man. the entitlement-sueeverybody mentality mindset supports it. society will get to used to the entitlement-sueeverybody mentality and forget that sometimes **&@^#( happens. and people cant deal with general responsibility without wanting to blame(=sue) someone else. and is slowly weakening general reserve of americans.

curious, where are you from originally?

 

[Mac6yver]

You people are crazy with your paranoia of Copyright laws. No one is going to sue you, just post a link.

 

[Ikaria]

"lawyers are a necessary evil"
but now there are 30 lawyers for every common man. the entitlement-sueeverybody mentality mindset supports it. society will get to used to the entitlement-sueeverybody mentality and forget that sometimes **&@^#( happens. and people cant deal with general responsibility without wanting to blame(=sue) someone else. and is slowly weakening general reserve of americans.

I agree with that, but lawyers are still a necessary evil.

curious, where are you from originally?

The Midwest.

 

[Lillithspeak]

The people who trash the ACLU do so out of ignorance. It takes an educated person to understand that when someone is neutral, it means that they don't favor anyone. It also takes an educated person to understand that if someone rules against your case, it just means you didn't convince the court that what you were purporting was legal. Has nothing to do with hating religion, christians, jews, or muslims. It's a point of law, not bias.


Unfortunately most of those who trash the ACLU get their education from the pulpit rather than an actual school, which teaches critical thinking, rather than lockstep obedience.

Of course, a few actually educated people do trash the ACLU, but they do so for monetary reward, not beliefs.

 

[Ikaria]

Right on, sister.

 

[Lillithspeak]

i made up the fact that its a DIRECT liberal quote but it cetainly seems to apply to many.

WHich certainly adds to your credibility.

 

[Lillithspeak]

Right on, sister.

Thank you Ikaria, where can I get a "Don't feed the trolls sign?" My icons on here don't have one.

 

[Ikaria]

ACLU = Anti Christian Litigation Unit

That would be sad if true.

Since it's not true, it's just funny.

 

[revolutio]

the ACLU want 300 million robots who are the exact same. thats 5 examples...5 lawyers of their... how many?

1. The state chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union is challenging the traditional prayer offered before meals at the Lexington-based Virginia Military Institute, after two cadets complained about the prayers.
2. ACLU lawyers also have attempted to: halt the singing of Christmas carols in public facilities
3. put an end to all military and prison chaplains
4. eliminate all Christian scenes and symbols from public property
5. prohibit voluntary Bible reading in public schools , even during free time
6. remove "In God We Trust" from our coins; and purge the words "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance

Tip of the ACLU iceberg.

[font=Arial, Helvetica, Sans-serif]ACLU of Pennsylvania Supports Congregation's Fight for Religious Freedom[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, Sans-serif]ACLU Supports Right of Iowa Students to Distribute Christian Literature at School[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, Sans-serif]Jewish Student Allowed to Wear Star of David Pendant as Mississippi School Board Reverses Policy[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, Sans-serif]ACLU of PA Files Discrimination Lawsuit Over Denial of Zoning Permit for African American Baptist Church[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, Sans-serif]In Win for Rev. Falwell (and the ACLU), Judge Rules VA Must Allow Churches to Incorporate[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, Sans-serif]ACLU Defends Church's Right to Run "Anti-Santa" Ads in Boston Subways[/font]

 

[Ikaria]

Thank you Ikaria, where can I get a "Don't feed the trolls sign?" My icons on here don't have one.

Ah, you have to do a tricky thing.

Just type the image code in the box, here:

:troll:

That should do it for ya.

 

[water_ripple]

Hey tulc that smiley just made me laugh! Thanx I needed that!

 

[Wolseley]

U.S. District Judge Phyllis Hamilton has ruled that the ByronUnionSchool district was not indoctrinating students by requiring them to wear Islamic garb, memorize verses from the Koran, pray to Allah and play "jihad games" as part of a simulation approach to Islamic studies. The curriculum required by the California State Board of Education utilizes the textbook "Across the Centuries," published by Houghton Mifflin, which prompts students to imagine they are Islamic soldiers and Muslims on a Mecca pilgrimage. The students are encouraged to use phrases such as "Allah Akbar," (“Allah is great,") and are required to fast during the Islamic holy month of Ramadan.

My only question is, what would the reaction be from the ACLU and fellow travellers if a public school required students to dress up as Christian saints, memorize verses from the New Testament, pray to Christ, and play missionary to Africa, or to ask students to imagine they are Christian Crusaders and pilgrims on a trip to Santiago de Compostela, or were encouraged to use phrases such as "Jesus is Lord", or were required to refrain from eating meat on Fridays during Lent "as part of a simulation approach".

My guess is that the screams of outrage would be heard unto the highest heavens, with the ACLU insisting that such activity was a violation of "church and state".

But why it should be different when dealing with Islam instead of Christianity?

 

[Ikaria]

It's a stupid approach anyways.

The kids should be readin and learnin about this stuff in its proper historical context, not playin silly dress-up games.

 

[Wolseley]

I agree.

 

[whatbogsends]

the ACLU want 300 million robots who are the exact same. thats 5 examples...5 lawyers of their... how many?

1. The state chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union is challenging the traditional prayer offered before meals at the Lexington-based Virginia Military Institute, after two cadets complained about the prayers.
2. ACLU lawyers also have attempted to: halt the singing of Christmas carols in public facilities
3. put an end to all military and prison chaplains
4. eliminate all Christian scenes and symbols from public property
5. prohibit voluntary Bible reading in public schools , even during free time
6. remove "In God We Trust" from our coins; and purge the words "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance

Tip of the ACLU iceberg.

Do you see the pattern here? They want religion out of public institutions/things. Have you ever heard of the sepearation of church and state?

 

[Ampmonster]

"Have you ever heard of the sepearation of church and state?"

yes in a letter someone wrote

 

[Lillithspeak]

:troll:

Like this? Thank you!

 

[notto]

the ACLU want 300 million robots who are the exact same. thats 5 examples...5 lawyers of their... how many?

1. The state chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union is challenging the traditional prayer offered before meals at the Lexington-based Virginia Military Institute, after two cadets complained about the prayers.
2. ACLU lawyers also have attempted to: halt the singing of Christmas carols in public facilities
3. put an end to all military and prison chaplains
4. eliminate all Christian scenes and symbols from public property
5. prohibit voluntary Bible reading in public schools , even during free time
6. remove "In God We Trust" from our coins; and purge the words "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance

Tip of the ACLU iceberg.

Can you substantiate 3, 5, and the bit about the removal from Currency? Case names, links, news articles, anything?


I think you might be stretching the truth a bit here and I would like to see some confirmation of your accusations.


As for the rest, you will note that the ACLU takes action when asked by individuals who feel their rights are being violated. Your 1. is a perfect example. These are mandatory prayers that exclude students who do not want to participate from the rest of the group (they were forced to participate). If a student does not attend, they cannot have dinner. Certainly students who didn't want to participate but were forced to were having their religious freedoms violated. What's the problem with protecting their rights?

 

[feral]

It is remarkable that our schools would teach such a course when America is fighting a war against Islamic terror and thousands of Americans lay dead at the hands of Islamic fascists

It's amazing that people would fight for Christian prayer in schools when everyone knows Christians burn witches, blow up women's health clinics, murder doctors, protest funerals and encourage white supremacy.

Don't be ignorant. Obviously, anyone committing atrocity against humanity isn't living up to the standards of any religion. A 9/11 terrorist is not living according to Muslim standards, just as a Christian who bombs a women's clinic isn't behaving correctly according to mainstream Christian standards.

The actions of a few extremists do not reflect the views of others, nor should those mistakes be used to insult and demean others. A few Muslims are terrorists, a few Christians are murderers...the extremists of both religions are an insult to the rest of the group, and in both cases, neither group of extremist was practicing the teachings of their religion.

I see nothing wrong with having students learn about Islam, Muslim and Middle Eastern culture, Middle Eastern politics, sociology, etc. The Middle East and hence many Muslims are playing a big role in American lives right now. Their influence and presence will only increase. Many western born individuals have converted to Islam. It's clearly vital to understand more about these cultures and that faith.

 

[feral]

My only question is, what would the reaction be from the ACLU and fellow travellers if a public school required students to dress up as Christian saints, memorize verses from the New Testament, pray to Christ, and play missionary to Africa, or to ask students to imagine they are Christian Crusaders and pilgrims on a trip to Santiago de Compostela, or were encouraged to use phrases such as "Jesus is Lord", or were required to refrain from eating meat on Fridays during Lent "as part of a simulation approach".

My guess is that the screams of outrage would be heard unto the highest heavens, with the ACLU insisting that such activity was a violation of "church and state".

But why it should be different when dealing with Islam instead of Christianity?

In America, Christianity is the mainstream religion. The majority of Americans are Christians, or give lipservice to that religion in any case. Everyone has already heard about Christianity, and Christianity is widely accepted and at least partially understoof by nearly every American. Giving Christian lessons would be seen as endorsing the religion, as Christianity is the majority religion and the most likely to be made into the state religion, if one were declared...

Islam, on the other hand, is virtually unknown by most. Many Americans have never heard of Islam except in connection with terrorism. There is a vital need to understand more about the Islam religion and Middle Eastern culture. Massive misunderstandings about Islam have resulted in racism, violence, hatred, etc..for which there is no basis. Being the huge role the Middle East is playing in our everyday lives right now, and how much that influence is bound to increase, it makes sense for students to start learning more about it. The point isn't to convert students to Islam, it's to teach them about the culture. These are kids who are going to watch the news and hear about Islam, go to college and meet exchange students from Muslim countries, take Poli-Sci classes and learn about Islamically run governments. It makes sense that they learn the basics in high school. Do you think when kids take Spanish in high school the point is to make them Mexican citizens, disloyal to America, eager to emulate Che? No, of course not. The point is to EDUCATE them and give them essential knowledge that will help them in life. Same with this course on Islam.

And Jihad means the struggle to survive and have faith in the face of oppression. The Qur'an doesn't mention crashing into buildings...