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calmcoolandelected said:
My point was that there are things that are essential such as those things we affirm in the Nicene Creed and there are things that are non-essential such as mode of baptism (sprinkling vs. dunking). I now realize that we have differences in what baptism is.
CC&E - has no idea how the green font turned on....
Believers who are in churches that clearly, and accurately, teach the Word of God, will produce amongst its "laity" the ability to teach in many ways. It was not just assigned to pastor-teachers, and teachers, to do this. Anyone who attends a good Bible teaching church can attest to this truth.
ETide said:Help me to understand something here..
Does the CC teach that only their successors have the Spirit of God..ie, so is that how they're able to continue teaching their Tradition..?
AND.. do all members of the cc have the Spirit of God..? If so, what makes them less apt than those who are considered successors having the same Spirit..?
racer said:Using that logic, we're all subject to be infallible at times.
Yes, but people are not. Therefore, anytime someone happens to express the truth as it was delivered by Christ to the Apostles, he is speaking infallibly at that moment.
7cworldwide said:We could say there's multiplicity of practices about anything.
As long as it jives with Scripture, God's inspired Word, I'm good with it!WarriorAngel said:2 John 1
12 Having more things to write unto you, I would not by paper and ink: for I hope that I shall be with you, and speak face to face: that your joy may be full. 13 The children of thy sister Elect salute thee.
3 John 1
13 I had many things to write unto thee: but I would not by ink and pen write to thee. 14 But I hope speedily to see thee, and we will speak mouth to mouth. Peace be to thee. Our friends salute thee. Salute the friends by name.
John 21
25 But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written.
Acts Of Apostles 1
3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion, by many proofs, for forty days appearing to them, and speaking of the kingdom of God.
Therefore sola scriptura is unable to give us the fullness of what Jesus did, said, taught and everything else that even happened afterwards whereas John had much more to teach.
Anyone who believes in sola scriptura must rectify these phrases and show us where these things are written.
Peace!
WarriorAngel said:2 John 1
12 Having more things to write unto you, I would not by paper and ink: for I hope that I shall be with you, and speak face to face: that your joy may be full. 13 The children of thy sister Elect salute thee.
3 John 1
13 I had many things to write unto thee: but I would not by ink and pen write to thee. 14 But I hope speedily to see thee, and we will speak mouth to mouth. Peace be to thee. Our friends salute thee. Salute the friends by name.
John 21
25 But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written.
Acts Of Apostles 1
3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion, by many proofs, for forty days appearing to them, and speaking of the kingdom of God.
Therefore sola scriptura is unable to give us the fullness of what Jesus did, said, taught and everything else that even happened afterwards whereas John had much more to teach.
Anyone who believes in sola scriptura must rectify these phrases and show us where these things are written.
Peace!
Genez,genez said:Ironically...
You are using Sola Scriptura to make your point.
Do we need say more?
2 Peter 2:1 nivWill these false teachers be popular?
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought thembringing swift destruction on themselves."
2Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute."Peter warned that false teachers would work their way into authority after he was gone. He said it would happen to those he was writing to! And, that it will be preferred by many over the truth.
Now? If we had nothing but someone's word that they are telling us the truth? And, no way to verify? Then God had left us helpless.
How do we remain separated from a lie? Sanctified from what is false?
Jesus declared how it is to be done...
John 17:17 nivIt does not say, by "tradition."
"Sanctify them by the truth; your Word is truth."
And, again?
You are attempting to disprove Sola Scriptura, by utilizing Sola Scriptura! How strange!
Always amused, GeneZ
GordonSlocum said:You can not mix the two. There has to be one source of Truth. Jesus is the Living Word and The 66 books of the Holy Bible are the only Source of Truth from God to man the Ramah and the Logos.
No need for anymore revelation. The Bible is sealed to 66 books
Ironically...
You are using Sola Scriptura to make your point.
Do we need say more?
What authority does Scripture have?lionroar0 said:Nope. WA is not using Sola Scriptura. She is using the Authority of Scripture to explicitly point out that not everything was written in the Scriptures.
Peace
calmcoolandelected said:What authority does Scripture have?
CC&E
lionroar0 said:It is the Inspired written Word of God.
Peace
lionroar0 said:First it is not their Tradition. It is what Jesus taught. The way that is worded it sounds like traditions of men. It is not.
Everyone that has been baptised in the Trinitarian formula has the Spirit of God. Go back to the Creed. We acknowledge one baptisms for the remissions of sins. One Baptism, One Faith.
Not everyone has the same gifts. If everyone had the same gifts then there would be no Body of Christ. If everyone had the gifts to be teachers then there would be no one to do other ministries.
Peace
calmcoolandelected said:I rest my case.
CC&E
How do you know that it's what Jesus taught ?
How do you know..? Can you see the Spirit of God in them..?
This is where I believe that there is a huge disconnect between the scriptures and what many institutions teach.. because there are many in Christendom today who actually believe that they can add members to the body of Christ by the act of baptism.. even if it's an infant who doesn't understand the gospel etc..
You won't find any scriptural support at all for men adding members to the body of Christ..
God alone adds members to His body as it pleases Himself. We (the body of Christ, the church of God) have been all baptized into one body by one SPIRIT. God seals men and women with the Spirit of promise when they trust in Him, after they hear the word of truth, the gospel of their salvation, and after they believe.
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