Episode 3.19:

[lovesdolphins]

You know... one of the things that I kept thinking about as Locke's dad was blabbering all of his sins to Sawyer was, "Guy!!! Shut up!!!"

I mean, really... what kind of con man exposes his hand like that to a seemingly complete stranger? He was just confessing EVERYTHING.

well, he thought that he was in hell - so it wouldn't matter at that point.

 

[Redguard]

well, he thought that he was in hell - so it wouldn't matter at that point.

Yeah... only to realize that Sawyer was the one who was sending him on a one-way trip to Hell!!

Mwah ha ha ha haaaaa!!!!

 

[lovesdolphins]

Yeah... only to realize that Sawyer was the one who was sending him on a one-way trip to Hell!!

Mwah ha ha ha haaaaa!!!!

hahaha

yea, last night as Sawyer was killing him, I told hubby - 'sometimes someone just needs a good killin'

 

[gracepaints]

Totally OT - but when Sawyer ran out of the ship and puked, my first thought was, "Dude, I totally know how you feel." LOL

I felt bad that Sawyer lost it and killed Locke's dad. I don't think it will give him the closure he was looking for. Plus, now he's a murderer 2x over.

 

[CJF]

I felt bad for Sawyer. On the one hand I thought, 'Now it's done! You've killed the guy who ruined your life!' And then, when he was puking, I wanted to just give him a pat on the back or a hug or something.

And the stupid jerk, Cooper, tore his letter! He's had that letter for years, poor guy!

 

[snoochface]

Yeah, the letter is what got to me. I felt so horrible for Sawyer when he ripped up the letter.

Red, I had the same thought about Cooper spilling his guts like that.. because it was like Locke knew he would, there was never any question in his mind about it. "You'll change your mind when you hear what he has to say." And Ben insisting that Locke is the one who brought his father to the island. I don't know that I'm convinced it was really Cooper.

 

[Thinker]

"back from your `blowing up anything that can get us off the island tour'".

A bit lame for Sawyer, but it sticks in mind.

What also sticks in mind, and has thus far seen little discussion is that Naomi was hired to search a region the maps all showed as open water.

Also, regarding the appearance of the `real Sawyer' on the island from halfway around the world: there is precedent in the show for this - some years back, the drug smugglers plane, a short range craft, took off from a desert airstrip in Nigeria and apparently crashed here shortly thereafter.

Also, pertaining to the islands location: Juliette left for the island from Portland. Right before leaving, she took a drugged drink, because the last part of the trip was supposed to be pretty bad. But if it was the last part of the trip that was so bad, why take the drugged drink so far in advance of that part of the trip?

As to reaching the island by air - some planes crash, true. Yet the Swan Station at least (and presumably the `Barracks' as well) look to have been resupplied via airdrops. Maybe the planes making the airdrops were at a much higher altitude than the ones that crashed?

I am starting to get a glimmer of an idea that the island is not an island at all: rather it is something else that has the appearance of an island. I do not regard it as a true afterworld or as a virtual reality simulation.

Rather, I am starting to think of it as being some sort of `extra-dimensional space with its own rules'. (like the one where pregnancy = death). I think there is some sort of quantum mechanical `observer effect' rule in place here - you do not get to this island unless there is a past or future link between you and somebody else who is already present - unless, possibly, you arrive as a corpse, or `ride along' with somebody who does have such a link. Desmond, for example, was linked with Jack and Charlie. Eko was linked with his brother.

 

[snoochface]

Just to clarify, Juliet did not leave for the island from Portland. She left from Miami. Her first flashback episode was entitled "Not in Portland" -- they told her she would be going to Portland from Miami, but where she ended was "not in Portland", i.e. on the island.

 

[FatBurger]

What also sticks in mind, and has thus far seen little discussion is that Naomi was hired to search a region the maps all showed as open water.

Problem being, that could be anywhere. It could be Lake Superior, for all we know.

As to reaching the island by air - some planes crash, true. Yet the Swan Station at least (and presumably the `Barracks' as well) look to have been resupplied via airdrops. Maybe the planes making the airdrops were at a much higher altitude than the ones that crashed?

I think that's the most likely solution. Hot air balloons could be a possibility too, if you consider that Henry Gale may have crashed normally - "Hey, there's an island, let me try to land and- oh no, trees!"

I am starting to get a glimmer of an idea that the island is not an island at all: rather it is something else that has the appearance of an island. I do not regard it as a true afterworld or as a virtual reality simulation.

Rather, I am starting to think of it as being some sort of `extra-dimensional space with its own rules'. (like the one where pregnancy = death). I think there is some sort of quantum mechanical `observer effect' rule in place here - you do not get to this island unless there is a past or future link between you and somebody else who is already present - unless, possibly, you arrive as a corpse, or `ride along' with somebody who does have such a link. Desmond, for example, was linked with Jack and Charlie. Eko was linked with his brother.

How did the first people get there, then?

 

[Redguard]

I think that's the most likely solution. Hot air balloons could be a possibility too, if you consider that Henry Gale may have crashed normally - "Hey, there's an island, let me try to land and- oh no, trees!"

Is it bad of me that I'm laughing at the thought of Henry Gale actually having that reaction?

 

[Thinker]

How did the first people get there, then?

As corpses - but they had links with the second group to make it.

 

[FatBurger]

As corpses - but they had links with the second group to make it.

So assuming not all dead people automatically arrive there, what was unique about those dead people that made them show up on the island?

 

[Thinker]

So assuming not all dead people automatically arrive there, what was unique about those dead people that made them show up on the island?

I've been giving this a bit more thought and might have to expand things a bit. (this might actually be worthy of a separate thread).

Basically you have:

1) `Special' or `Gifted' People - people with supernatural abilities, or the potential for such: Locke, Walt, Rose, and possibly Desmond and Hurly (because of the numbers). These people could probably reach the island on their own, and *might* be able to sneak others in with them. (a sort of `umbrela of protection'.

2) `Linked' people - people who have a connection with somebody already on the island. Examples here include Jack, Charlie, and Libby (all linked to Desmond). Another example would be Sayid (linked to Kelvin). `Linked' people have a good chance of reaching the island alive and remaining so, though this is far from certain. I suspect that there may have been a distant direct blood connection between some of the people aboard the `Black Rock' (african slaves) and at least one person aboard the drug smugglers plane (african criminals).

3) `Riders' basically people who are traveling with somebody who is `special' or `linked'. They might or might not survive arriving at the island (most of the passengers aboard flight 815 died, as did everybody aboard the drug smugglers plane). However, just making it to the island at all is enough to form a link between that person and somebody known to that person off the island. Juliette would have been a `rider' under this scheme, as would have most of the `minor' survivors of Flight 815.

4) `Accidentals' - people who reach the island via some sort of wierd fluke - not under the `umbrela of protection' provided by those who are `special' or `linked'. They basically reach the island dead, or die shortly thereafter - but again, just by reaching the island at all, that creates a `link' with people they know off the island.

Under this settup, the `islands' original discoverer(s) would almost certainly have to have been `gifted'.

 

[bill'swife]

I felt bad that Sawyer lost it and killed Locke's dad. I don't think it will give him the closure he was looking for. Plus, now he's a murderer 2x over.

I felt bad for Sawyer. On the one hand I thought, 'Now it's done! You've killed the guy who ruined your life!' And then, when he was puking, I wanted to just give him a pat on the back or a hug or something.

And the stupid jerk, Cooper, tore his letter! He's had that letter for years, poor guy!

Yeah, the letter is what got to me. I felt so horrible for Sawyer when he ripped up the letter.

I too felt bad for Sawyer...I wanted him to do it so badly, but afterwards I felt so horrible for him.

 

[theFijian]

I was thinking that Juliet wanted to tell Kate about pregnant women dying, but who knows.

Or maybe that Kate is pregnant?

I don't think so. Whenever people have appeared on the island that shouldn't be (Yemi, Christian, etc.) they only show up to one specific person. Further, Eko & Jack never touched Yemi & Christian, only saw and heard them. I think this is a different situation.

What about Kate's horse? I'm pretty sure that Sawyer saw it too. And Sayid and Shannon both saw Walt at the same time, but maybe those situations were slightly different in some way.

 

[FatBurger]

As with the Hurley bird, and Sayid's cat (I think). I'm separating it into three groups though:
1. Animals - Hurley bird, cat, horse
2. People who shouldn't be on the island - Christian, Yemi, Dave
3. People who should be somewhere else on the island - Walt

Obviously I have absolutely no idea whether it should be split up into those three groups, but it just feels right to me.

 

[MtDoraAngel]

Can we classify Dave as a person. We was only in Hurleys mind, even in the "real" world.