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Yes, that is a very good article. EDIT: It clearly makes a distinction I was gesturing at - the difference between somebody's interpretation of the significance of some unanimous consensus of the Fathers and Divine Revelation.
Actually, it's kind of a pitiful article, making many of the same assumptive errors he claims "other" evolutionists make.
It is honest though, in that he comes right out and admits he thinks the Fathers are wrong. An honesty that is missing from most every other article or conversation I've seen.
i like that he corrects the evolutionist misuse of St. Basil.
Yes, that is very refreshing, especially coming from the evolutionist camp.
The very same St Basil who is also called the revealer of heavenly mysteries (Ouranophantor), a renowned and bright star, and the glory and beauty of the Church.especially since St. Basil is being so explicitly clear about his point about the twenty-four hours.
"One day, doubtless, their terrible condemnation will be the greater for all this worldly wisdom, since, seeing so clearly into vain sciences, they have wilfully shut their eyes to the knowledge of the truth."
- Saint Basil, Hexameron
The very same St Basil who is also called the revealer of heavenly mysteries (Ouranophantor), a renowned and bright star, and the glory and beauty of the Church.
But yea, he was just an ignorant fundamentalist... But it's just because he didn't have the science of today to enlighten him, and make his writings "actually true".
Please see quotes below:
For my part, I already KNOW the part about you believing in God. I take that for granted, as I think you a sincere member of the Orthodox Church.
Why say this? What relevance does this have to the topic?
I think you are not ENGAGING these ideas; I don't see them come up here. And they ARE serious foundations on which to question the assumptions of modern science."
Here is a direct quote explicitly saying that he thinks we are not engaging in these ideas. How does he know that?
That's why I feel that what I think is not engaged at all; only straw men of what I DON'T think. Maybe everyone feels the same way; in that case, we all ought to nmake a concerted effort to engage what the others really DO think.
Another direct accusation that we are not engaging with the topic.
And what I do find interesting in all these threads is the imbalance of things. Guys like jckstraw or Rus could easily pull a gaggle of references to the Fathers and Church leadership pointing to the Creation-only narrative that contradicts evolution, and yet I keep hearing from the pro-evolution
Being accused of being pro evolution.
I think we need put CHURCH FIRST, science second.
Why say this? What is the relevance? Why say this unless you think some are not doing that?
If you are a serious scientist and you're this passionately in favor of evolution and the mountain of evidence is this epic, shoot, I would think just five bullets Power Point style with key points would suffice, no?
Final question--how old are you?
Again, relevance? Why ask for his age?
What is your vision, evolutionists
Again being accused of something we are not
There are more
@gurneyhalleck1, why are you not answering the questions I asked?
... So you think whining incessantly about perceived slights does the same?"But yea, he was just an ignorant fundamentalist... But it's just because he didn't have the science of today to enlighten him, and make his writings "actually true"."
so you think making a judgmental snarky comment is an indication of posessing wisdom?
Well, I stick with mockery because I don't really have time for discursive engagement.
Yea, I've read it, well over a year ago. Typical slander. I've never seen anything like what he describes in any of the people who respect Fr. Seraphim's work. That said, I'm not surprised that you like it.Anyone read the articles about Fr Seraphim? Or are we not to speak of anything negative about him?
and I love how Fr Seraphim is not brought up by the creationist crowd.
It is funny how St. Theophan and St. Basil the Great and a few others were brought up, but zero by Father Seraphim, BUT the folks who don't like creationism are thinking of him?
yeah, I also earlier mentioned St Nektarios of Aegina and St John Maximovitch, but it is because I read Fr Seraphim that I am a YEC. the saints after Darwin have absolutely nothing to do with it. it's just a perk because I am a Fr Seraphim clone. I just hold off on mentioning him to make it look like I consider the saints.....
I'm a young-Earth Festivus Christian. I believe the Earth was created and on day two there was the airing of grievances...
and the feats of strength happened when Samson was a judge
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