Enduring to the End

[FireHeart]

Well it wasn't the fact I play video games it was the fact it was more important to me than him, I play video games nowadays for fun but my heart and my passion is for him and him alone this is the difference

 

[joshuanazar]

Well it wasn't the fact I play video games it was the fact it was more important to me than him, I play video games nowadays for fun but my heart and my passion is for him and him alone this is the difference

 

[Xalith]

Yep, I have been there too. I turned my back on God in a big way, and got deep into the darkness. It took God shaking my life to the core to bring me back to Him, and I have vowed to myself that I will never stray again.

This is what it means to be Saved.

The Bible says that Jesus will not miss one single sheep; he will collect them ALL. He will not fail to gather them all. If you are Saved, rejoice! God and Jesus will not let you go. You might go into periods of darkness, but the fact that God shook your life to the core to bring you back to Him, is proof of your salvation. You were never in danger of losing your salvation; God merely did what He had to do to make sure you made it in the end.

Those who fail to endure to the end "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us." (1 John 2:19). This basically means that the false believers (the ones who did not truly accept Christ and repent) will eventually stray from the faith because the walk is just too hard without Christ being with you. If you have Christ, He will do whatever is necessary to keep you on the path, even killing your Earthly body outright (the "sin unto death") if it is necessary, if your sin is endangering others and their potential salvation (Ananias and Sapphira come to mind here).

 

[Xalith]

Well it wasn't the fact I play video games it was the fact it was more important to me than him, I play video games nowadays for fun but my heart and my passion is for him and him alone this is the difference

I am in this very same boat.

My Steam Library is numbered at like 150 games. A few of these games have 500+ hours logged onto them. On days I had off work, I'd get up at 9AM and game all the way to midnight, only taking a break for lunch, supper, and the bathroom.

I did everything for video game goals, even at work I'd think about video games and other similar things.

Nowadays, I still play a little video games, but usually only when I'm bored and I've nothing else to do. And even then, I try to think about God and Jesus now-and-then even while playing the games, and when I turn the game off, I'm usually saying a short little prayer or even just talking to Him, acknowledging that the video games are merely there for a little something to do when I can't think of anything else to do with my extra boredom hours.

I quit my MMOs, though I might tinker with one of them should I get bored enough. I read the Bible 1-3 times a day, I say a long prayer every night about the things of the day that happened, I say a prayer in the morning, and I try to fit several in a day and I try to keep God on my mind whenever I can.

 

[Winken]

I've always wondered about this. There are many verses in the bible that make Salvation sound very simple and easy. Such as John 3:16 and many others. However there are also scriptures that talk about enduring to the end and make it sound like Salvation can be lost. Is enduring to the end just a matter of keeping the faith? Or is it more about obedience?

It isn't about obedience. That "enduring" passage concerns the Tribulation, not a born-again Believer. In this life, before the Tribulation, you don't "keep" anything. Salvation is a free gift provided for all who believe (Romans 10:8-13), confessing Jesus. Salvation can't be "lost".

 

[linssue55]

I've always wondered about this. There are many verses in the bible that make Salvation sound very simple and easy. Such as John 3:16 and many others. However there are also scriptures that talk about enduring to the end and make it sound like Salvation can be lost. Is enduring to the end just a matter of keeping the faith? Or is it more about obedience?

Timothy 6: 12

Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made your good confession in the presence of many witnesses.


2 Timothy 4:7

I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.

You can NEVER, NEVER, NEVER lose your Salvation. BELIEVE the Word of the Lord.... IGNORE what people may say. For Satan is alive and well on planet earth.

Rom 8:38-39
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, (MAN with their false doctrines and Arrogance) shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
{Doctrine of Eternal Security - Once in the Relationship, No Out} (Exegeted from the Original Koine Greek)
John 10:28~~"As well, I {Jesus} give {it is a gift he gives} them {My sheep} eternal life {salvation is PERMANENT--IRREVOCABLE}, and they will absolutely NO {ouk} . . . NOT EVER {me} . . . perish {apollumi}. Neither {Kai ouk} can anyone {man, angel, or God Himself - because He declared it} will ever 'seize by violence'/snatch them from My hand/grasp {cheir}.
{Note: Apollumi means to perish - to be absolutely obliterated. It refers to Revelation 20:15 where all who are not in the book of life/unbelievers will be tossed into the Lake of Fire. Once you follow the shepherd out the door (faith in Christ) into the pasture, you receive the GIFT of eternal life. You did not earn it, nor can you DO anything to lose it.}
{Note: Ouk and me are both negatives. Two negatives together in the Greek is a very strong negative (as opposed to English where it would be a positive). Now the verb apollumi is in the subjunctive mood. When you put a double negative followed by a subjunctive, it means it is totally impossible - no way! - for a believer to lose his salvation - VERY strong - over and out.}
{Note: Cheir is the Greek word for the human hand. When attributed to God the Father it is an anthropomorphism, which is attributing characteristics of man to God. Your hands move when your brain tells it to. It means when you are His sheep, no one will steal you away even if you wanted to be stolen!}

 

[ALoveDivine]

These scriptures used to really bother me, because I held absolutely to the doctrine of eternal security. However, I can't in good conscience hold to that doctrine anymore. Scripture very plainly claims that Christians can fall away and be lost. Yes, we really do have free will. Just as a man, though bound to his wife in a life-long marital union, can divorce her, so too can a child of God, engrafted in the new covenant, "divorce" Christ as it were.

Now let it be known, this is not easy. The blood of Christ cleanses us of all sin, and the Lord never stops forgiving us if we ask him. I will even go so far as to say that a Christian who dies in unrepentant and serious sin can still be finally saved, purely by the grace and mercy of God. However, if you as a child of God, consciously and finally reject your relationship with God, and forsake him, then you will perish. Persistent apostasy is, from my study of scripture, the one unforgivable sin.

I myself have fallen away like this, though obviously I've come back to Christ. Let me assure you, there is no hope outside of a relationship with Christ. If you forsake that relationship and abandon the faith, unless and until you repent and come back to Christ, you are not in a state of grace.

It would also be wise to define faith as it is used in scripture. It is more than intellectual assent, it is a relationship of loving trust and obedience. Granted it is often imperfect, even dismal. Yet it is there and it is a real relationship. To have this relationship, and to finally and completely reject it until the day you die, is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit and is the unforgivable sin, sin unto death.

 

[Winken]

These scriptures used to really bother me, because I held absolutely to the doctrine of eternal security. However, I can't in good conscience hold to that doctrine anymore. Scripture very plainly claims that Christians can fall away and be lost.

I appreciate the sincerety of the post. However, "good conscience" and "hold to that doctrine" is not where it's at. It isn't a matter of conscience, nor of doctrine. Human conscience and doctrine are not Spiritual. The Holy Spirit imparts neither. Yes, one can stray. How? By dwelling on conscience and doctrine. Each is built upon human interpretation and application, not Spiritual. Once one yields to the ministry of the Holy Spirit (Romans 10:8-13), the union with God in eternal security is complete. HE is the One sustains it. Are we then to sink into doubt? Questioning? The Holy Spirit imparted to us equips us to resist the flesh, the sinful nature, AND He is right there when we decide to do it "our way," 1 John 1:9. A license to sin? God never grants such a license, God-forbid that we should ASSUME that it is okay. We are the Righteousness of God in Christ, saved-sealed until we are called home. He enables us to abide in faith, hope, and love.

The accurate interpretation and application of apostacy is "coming close," as the Jews were doing in the Book of Hebrews, then backing off. It is not about salvation by Grace through Faith, then changing one's mind. Changing one's "mind" is purely mental in that case, never Spiritual.

Yes, when we sin we grieve the Holy Spirit of God. We have chosen the mind's way over His Way. Yet, we have not "fallen" from Grace. 1 John 1:9 serves as our Spiritual reminder.

I appreciate the linguistic insights of linssue55. Remember: God is not going to instruct one person to believe OSAS, and another to reject it. Contradiction is of us, not Him.

 

[ALoveDivine]

I appreciate the sincerety of the post. However, "good conscience" and "hold to that doctrine" is not where it's at. It isn't a matter of conscience, nor of doctrine. Human conscience and doctrine are not Spiritual. The Holy Spirit imparts neither. Yes, one can stray. How? By dwelling on conscience and doctrine. Each is built upon human interpretation and application, not Spiritual. Once one yields to the ministry of the Holy Spirit (Romans 10:8-13), the union with God in eternal security is complete. HE is the One sustains it. Are we then to sink into doubt? Questioning? The Holy Spirit imparted to us equips us to resist the flesh, the sinful nature, AND He is right there when we decide to do it "our way," 1 John 1:9. A license to sin? God never grants such a license, God-forbid that we should ASSUME that it is okay. We are the Righteousness of God in Christ, saved-sealed until we are called home. He enables us to abide in faith, hope, and love.

The accurate interpretation and application of apostacy is "coming close," as the Jews were doing in the Book of Hebrews, then backing off. It is not about salvation by Grace through Faith, then changing one's mind. Changing one's "mind" is purely mental in that case, never Spiritual.

Yes, when we sin we grieve the Holy Spirit of God. We have chosen the mind's way over His Way. Yet, we have not "fallen" from Grace. 1 John 1:9 serves as our Spiritual reminder.

I appreciate the linguistic insights of linssue55. Remember: God is not going to instruct one person to believe OSAS, and another to reject it. Contradiction is of us, not Him.

I appreciate your courteous response and I respect your position. I fully understand the doctrine of eternal security and the scriptures and reasons one would believe it. However, to fully hold to this position one would seemingly have to reject the plain, straightforward meaning of many other scriptures. Romans 11 is a clear example:

"You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in." Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited *, but fear; for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God's kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off." - Romans 11:19-22

Here Paul, in plain language, implies that it is indeed possible for a Christian to NOT continue in God's kindness and to be cut off. In fact, the context makes it clear that Paul is using the example of the Israelites, and the fact that only a remnant "made it", as a clear parallel to the church. The obvious teaching is that that those who persevere in the faith are the ones who will make it to the promised land. Just as merely being part of Israel did not entitle one to the promise land, neither does merely being a part of the church entitle one to eternal life.

There is a condition, FAITH. Scripture is equally clear that this faith that saves is not a one-time momentary thing, it is an enduring, life-long commitment to Christ. As the Lord said, he who endures to the end will be saved. Now a reformed theologian can claim that all those who are truly Christian will endure, but this excuse honestly seems both shallow and forced. The simple fact that we are continually exhorted to persevere in living faith until the end, seems to imply that it is possible to not do so.

Now consider all of this in light of free will. This is really the crux of the issue. If you are a Calvinist and reject free will philosophically, you must find a way to reconcile the passages on security and the need for perseverance. Hence the doctrine of the perseverance of the saints. But again, this seems to be, honestly, a forced kind of interpretation of scripture. Also, I may add, an interpretation that is not found in the early church fathers, and indeed seems to have its origin in the reformation. From what I've read of them, nearly all the early church fathers took free will as a given, and they clearly thought it possible for a Christian to fall away and be lost.

Now if you embrace the doctrine of free will, that God has sovereignly decreed that man be free to choose his own path, and you acknowledge that the condition of New Covenant salvation is living faith, then it follows logically that to choose to abandon this living faith is to choose to abandon the salvation of God. Otherwise, God would essentially be forcing us into heaven against our will.

Most reformed theologians seem to recognize the strength of these arguments, hence they retreat to the notion that those who in fact persevere to the end are the only ones who were truly saved at all. Yet this presents a problem for assurance. How can you know you are really saved if you can't know for sure that you'll persevere? If you have a devout relationship with Christ, and bear the fruits of salvation, and then one day fall away, this must mean you were never saved at all. If that's true, how can any of us know that we are saved? How can you know? Perhaps you'll fall away many years from now. Would that mean that your whole spiritual life was a lie? Do you see the problem with this calvinistic line of reasoning?

The reality that apostasy results in loss of salvation should in no way diminish our joy. We ought to rejoice that God gave us the freedom to choose to love him, indeed this is why God created us in the first place; that we would freely come to him. This doctrine shouldn't terrify us, it should be reassuring. All our sins are covered by the blood of Christ, provided only that we abide in Christ.

“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He [a]prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned." - John 15: 1-6

It is hard to interpret these clear words of our Lord through the framework of eternal security. As Christians we are called to abide in Christ, and we abide in him through a living faith, working in love, that endures to the end. It is all by grace, it is not of works, and it is through faith alone, but not at the expense of our God-given free will.

 

[PastorThomas]

Living by faith in Jesus Christ, trusting and depending upon Him, is being obedient. We are those who endure to the end, who do not shrink back.

Hebrews 10:38-39, “But my righteous one will live by faith. And I take no pleasure in the one who shrinks back. But we do not belong to those who shrink back and are destroyed, but to those who have faith and are saved."

A thought.

(Mat 24:13) But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

In the Greek, "endure" means "maintain faith".

All those who maintain their faith until the end shall be saved!

God Bless,
Rev Thomas

 

[Winken]

A thought.

(Mat 24:13) But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

In the Greek, "endure" means "maintain faith".

All those who maintain their faith until the end shall be saved!

God Bless,
Rev Thomas

Another thought: Matthew 24 refers to the Great Tribulation. You and I won't
be there.

 

[dragongunner]

Once saved always saved has been a false doctrine in many churches for many years. Go ahead and turn from the faith, "in the last days many shall depart from the faith" and start fornicating, commit adultery, steal….and see if you end up in heaven. Remember the parable of the sower…..some received the message and sprouted up quick, but then died off. How many I have seen that repented and found Christ only in a short time to go back to sin and say literally to me "I recanted my faith, I'm not going to give up sinning"….Or the parable of the 10 virgins which represent 10 christians, 5 were wise and kept the faith keeping oil in their lamps, while the foolish did not, and they were left out. As far as the tribulation, some believe we leave before it gets here, some during and some after. Jesus said "he who endures to the end shall be saved" is speaking to ALL who read his words in revelation. As for my beliefs on the Tribulation, don't be surprised when you find yourself in it.

Matthew 24:13King James Version (KJV)
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

 

[Winken]

Once saved always saved has been a false doctrine in many churches for many years. Go ahead and turn from the faith, "in the last days many shall depart from the faith" and start fornicating, commit adultery, steal….and see if you end up in heaven. Remember the parable of the sower…..some received the message and sprouted up quick, but then died off. How many I have seen that repented and found Christ only in a short time to go back to sin and say literally to me "I recanted my faith, I'm not going to give up sinning"….Or the parable of the 10 virgins which represent 10 christians, 5 were wise and kept the faith keeping oil in their lamps, while the foolish did not, and they were left out. As far as the tribulation, some believe we leave before it gets here, some during and some after. Jesus said "he who endures to the end shall be saved" is speaking to ALL who read his words in revelation. As for my beliefs on the Tribulation, don't be surprised when you find yourself in it.

Matthew 24:13King James Version (KJV)
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Yep, lots of counterfeits out there, creating lots of confusion, even for those who are born again.

 

[Xalith]

Once saved always saved has been a false doctrine in many churches for many years. Go ahead and turn from the faith, "in the last days many shall depart from the faith" and start fornicating, commit adultery, steal….and see if you end up in heaven. Remember the parable of the sower…..some received the message and sprouted up quick, but then died off. How many I have seen that repented and found Christ only in a short time to go back to sin and say literally to me "I recanted my faith, I'm not going to give up sinning"….Or the parable of the 10 virgins which represent 10 christians, 5 were wise and kept the faith keeping oil in their lamps, while the foolish did not, and they were left out. As far as the tribulation, some believe we leave before it gets here, some during and some after. Jesus said "he who endures to the end shall be saved" is speaking to ALL who read his words in revelation. As for my beliefs on the Tribulation, don't be surprised when you find yourself in it.

Matthew 24:13King James Version (KJV)
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

The problem with this, is that the Bible says that He will not lose a single one of His sheep, and that he who has come to repentance, who has received the Holy Spirit, is Born Again, and is given Eternal Life.

Eternal Life isn't very Eternal if you could lose it, now is it?

Now, what about those people who claim to repent and profess Christ, well not every one of them has truly repented. When you truly repent and accept Christ as your Lord and Savior, you are given the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and you become Justified. It doesn't make sense if suddenly you become UNjustified should you decide to fall away from the faith. What, then? Does that mean the "New Creation" you are, suddenly ends up being....... not a new creation anymore? You were Born Again when you accepted Christ... and suddenly, you're Not Born Again?

That doesn't even make sense.

What DOES make sense, is that those who claim "Lord, Lord" will be told "Depart from me ye workers of iniquity; I never knew ye". What that tells me is that MANY people who claim to have found Christ, who CLAIM they have repented and turned away from sin actually didn't and never were saved to begin with.

That's why a lot of these people will taste of the cup and then fall away and become apostates. They were never full Christians, Born Again, to begin with.

It just doesn't make sense that you can become born again, become dead to sin, receive the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit will just let you fall if you give in to temptation. That doesn't make sense. In fact, Paul tells us quite the opposite -- every Christian will sin in their lives, any man who tells you he does not sin is a liar and is deceiving himself.

When an actual Christian does sin, God will correct us. He will chastise us. The Bible tells us "He who spares the rod loves not his child." ... since we know that God is all about Love, if He spares the rod (if He doesn't chastise/correct you), then you were never His child in the first place, but a "bastard" as the Bible puts it.

There is even a "Sin unto death" where if you sin so much that God's correction just isn't working, or if your sin is a danger to other believers or the Church, He will just simply bring about the end of your life and remove you from the Earth. Ananias and Sapphira experienced this very thing.

Therefore, these "Christians" who habitually sin aren't really Christians -- they tasted of the cup, they go to Church once a week and otherwise... they act just like your average unbeliever. If they were saved, then they would be living a miserable life as God would be chastising them left-and-right to get them to stop sinning.

Now, does this mean that you have a license to sin? Of course not! The Holy Spirit who indwells you will prick at your conscience whenever you are about to sin, He will tell you "no! don't do this!" and if you do it anyways, then the Holy Spirit will try to make you feel like something is wrong, like you need to repent, He will try to make you feel guilt, and if that stuff doesn't work, then you'll start losing the blessings in your life, and stuff will start to get hard.

The Holy Spirit guides us away from sin, and fights the spiritual battle inside of us. The Holy Spirit fights against our flesh for us.

 

[Job8]

I personal belief is that enduring to the end is staying surrendered to God.

This is essentially the idea. But we need to dig a little deeper. To "endure" means to bear up against severe trials, temptations, and persecutions, and to hold fast to the faith even though the love of many will wax cold (v 12). We live in a time of generaly apostasy, therefore we must not only come out from among them but perservere in the truth and in the propagation of the Gospel and in living the Christian life (salt & light), especially during times of persecution. We are not to give up our Christian witness, even if it means losing our lives. That is enduring to the end.

At the same time, that word "saved" could also be translated as "delivered", and I believe it is indirectly referring to the Rapture, and the deliverance of the Church (genuine believers, both Jews and Gentiles) from the Great Tribulation (as well as the Tribulation period). The reason for this conclusion is (a) the next verse speaks of "the end" which comes only after the Gospel has been preached in all the world and to all nations, and (b) the verse after that speaks of the Abomination of Desolation (which will be set up in Jerusalem by the Beast or the Antichrist) which triggers the Great Tribulation (v. 21).

This verse (Mt 24:13) has frequently been misapplied to the loss of salvation, but losing one's salvation is an impossibility because of the New Birth as well as Divine election and predestination towards the perfection and glorification of the saints (Rom 8:29,30). Those who are truly saved are "kept by the power of God through faith UNTO SALVATION READY TO BE REVEALED IN THE LAST TIME" (1 Pet 1:5). What this means is at "the end" ("the last time") God will complete the work of salvation through the Resurrection/Rapture, when every saint is perfected in body, soul, and spirit, and fully resembles Christ (1 Jn 3:1-3).

 

[Winepress777]

I've always wondered about this. There are many verses in the bible that make Salvation sound very simple and easy. Such as John 3:16 and many others. However there are also scriptures that talk about enduring to the end and make it sound like Salvation can be lost. Is enduring to the end just a matter of keeping the faith? Or is it more about obedience?

Timothy 6: 12

Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made your good confession in the presence of many witnesses.


2 Timothy 4:7

I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.

(Heb 11:35) ... and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:


(Heb 11:36) And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:


(Heb 11:37) They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;


(Heb 11:38) (Of whom the world was not worthy, they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth...

 

[joshuanazar]

This is essentially the idea. But we need to dig a little deeper. To "endure" means to bear up against severe trials, temptations, and persecutions, and to hold fast to the faith even though the love of many will wax cold (v 12). We live in a time of generaly apostasy, therefore we must not only come out from among them but perservere in the truth and in the propagation of the Gospel and in living the Christian life (salt & light), especially during times of persecution. We are not to give up our Christian witness, even if it means losing our lives. That is enduring to the end.

At the same time, that word "saved" could also be translated as "delivered", and I believe it is indirectly referring to the Rapture, and the deliverance of the Church (genuine believers, both Jews and Gentiles) from the Great Tribulation (as well as the Tribulation period). The reason for this conclusion is (a) the next verse speaks of "the end" which comes only after the Gospel has been preached in all the world and to all nations, and (b) the verse after that speaks of the Abomination of Desolation (which will be set up in Jerusalem by the Beast or the Antichrist) which triggers the Great Tribulation (v. 21).

This verse (Mt 24:13) has frequently been misapplied to the loss of salvation, but losing one's salvation is an impossibility because of the New Birth as well as Divine election and predestination towards the perfection and glorification of the saints (Rom 8:29,30). Those who are truly saved are "kept by the power of God through faith UNTO SALVATION READY TO BE REVEALED IN THE LAST TIME" (1 Pet 1:5). What this means is at "the end" ("the last time") God will complete the work of salvation through the Resurrection/Rapture, when every saint is perfected in body, soul, and spirit, and fully resembles Christ (1 Jn 3:1-3).

Sorry once a thread heads toward debating "Once Saved Always Saved" I start to leave. I am tired of debating this topic.

 

[dragongunner]

Hebrews Chapter 6
4 For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.


I have seen people repent and baptized, receive the Holy Ghost with tongues…..that turned their back on the the faith and recanted Christ in word and in deed……so they were never saved….? How does one do this and not be saved….? God tricked them….? Sorry, but been around too long, you can loose your salvation. The scriptures are clear.


2 Peter 2:20 - 2:22
Now viewing scripture range from the book of 2 Peter chapter 2:20 through chapter 2:22...


2 Peter Chapter 2
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.


So many scriptures, so surprising how so many miss the word of God….lack of reading perhaps, and thinking their own thoughts….?

Christ will not and cannot lose a single soul that is his. But a soul can recant and walk away from Christ and the Faith…..thats not Christ losing a soul, thats the person willfully turning away. Christ didn't lose it, that person chose not to be His anymore, they didn't somehow get lost by Jesus.


But click the link and read the so many scriptures in the bible…..its all there, how does one miss all of them….?

http://www.christcenteredmall.com/teachings/losing-salvation.htm